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Tales of Japan: Games We may Never See

OcelotOcelot is not declawedRPGamer Staff
edited August 2010 in Latest Updates
Tales series fans are buzzing about all the news coming out of Japan. Here's a quick roundup of three Tales games that may or may not make it over the Pacific.
Becky Cunningham, Staff-at-Large
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  • davidvincdavidvinc New Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    I was under the impression that Tales Studio was going out of business- if that is the case, where are they getting the funding for all these projects?
  • Confessor RahlConfessor Rahl Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Gorgeous concept art for the upcoming game. I really do hope they will reconsider TOG... it just doesn't make sense for us to miss all these mothership titles.
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  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    davidvinc said:
    I was under the impression that Tales Studio was going out of business- if that is the case, where are they getting the funding for all these projects?

    The Tales Studio hasn't been doing well, it's true, but I've seen no news that they are going bankrupt or out of business. Their survival is likely up to parent company Namco Bandai, which probably helped fund these projects. My guess is that after Radiant Mythology 3, we might not see as many small projects/spinoffs (most of which don't reach our shores anyway) from the studio. At least, if I were in charge of Namco, I'd be telling Tales to pare down and focus on the flagship titles.
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  • mindsoakmindsoak New Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    You should see the ruckus over at Namco Games facebook page. Fans are raging at always getting overlooked with Tales games. For the past few days people have been spamming them with pleas, surveys, petitions, and more. They are going after their facebook, their twitter, their snail mail, and their phonelines. It's a big mess, but it's understandable when you look at how many games from the series have never been released outside of japan.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    mindsoak said:
    You should see the ruckus over at Namco Games facebook page. Fans are raging at always getting overlooked with Tales games. For the past few days people have been spamming them with pleas, surveys, petitions, and more. They are going after their facebook, their twitter, their snail mail, and their phonelines. It's a big mess, but it's understandable when you look at how many games from the series have never been released outside of japan.

    Its really not understandable. They just refuse to accept that most of the games don't sell well over here.
  • LordKaiserLordKaiser Gaming Freedom Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Specially if RPGs on consoles are running dry this season once again. The only game I'm still playing now is WKC in online mode. I like Tales games and it bothers me that they stay in Japan. ( I don't care about the crossovers)
    Never buy a game published by D3 Publisher that is not WKCII. They cheated on their fans by releasing a game that they didn't support not even for a year and they released a rushed translation.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    LordKaiser said:
    Specially if RPGs on consoles are running dry this season once again. The only game I'm still playing now is WKC in online mode. I like Tales games and it bothers me that they stay in Japan. ( I don't care about the crossovers)

    Being bothered and sad is fine.

    Spamming a facebook page run by marketing people who have no say in the matter is not a mature reaction.
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Wheels said:
    Its really not understandable. They just refuse to accept that most of the games don't sell well over here.

    I do wonder if the change in aesthetic for the new PS3 Tales game is aimed at least in part at gaining increased sales in North America. In the end, though, what they need most is a stronger marketing campaign over here. The Tales battle system certainly appeals to the Western gamer, and the characters in the better Tales games are interesting and fun. They should be able to get decent sales here with better marketing and with careful selection of which games they bring over.
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  • LordKaiserLordKaiser Gaming Freedom Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Spamming a Facebook or Twiter account is immature but people don't care. They just want the product and care less of the company' s well being. Ocelot offered many valid points and strtegies that seem logical but Wheels thinking goes more inline with Namco Bandai thoughts. Sadly but true of a company who takes unnecessary risks with other poor games and not games like the Tales series. Anyone remembered the first Gundam for the PS3?
    Never buy a game published by D3 Publisher that is not WKCII. They cheated on their fans by releasing a game that they didn't support not even for a year and they released a rushed translation.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    LordKaiser said:
    Spamming a Facebook or Twiter account is immature but people don't care. They just want the product and care less of the company' s well being. Ocelot offered many valid points and strtegies that seem logical but Wheels thinking goes more inline with Namco Bandai thoughts. Sadly but true of a company who takes unnecessary risks with other poor games and not games like the Tales series. Anyone remembered the first Gundam for the PS3?

    I don't think you or I have any idea what the Namco Bandai higher ups think. So let's not assume. We've gotten most of the main Tales games over here, so saying they take unnecessary risks on games worse than Tales and not on the Tales series is madness. I mean they gave Radiant Mythology a shot over here!

    Whatever the reasons for not bringing over Vesperia PS3/Tales of Graces I'm sure they're good reasons. Its not like its been years since we got a Tales game, its been less than 2 years, quite normal for many series.
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Yeah, I'm not trying to offer up strategies to Namco Bandai, I'm just speculating from my knowledge of the industry.
    Becky Cunningham, Staff-at-Large
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Ocelot said:
    Yeah, I'm not trying to offer up strategies to Namco Bandai, I'm just speculating from my knowledge of the industry.

    Right I mostly meant that in response to this idea that Namco hasn't tried at all with the series.
  • Confessor RahlConfessor Rahl Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Wheels said:

    Whatever the reasons for not bringing over Vesperia PS3/Tales of Graces I'm sure they're good reasons. Its not like its been years since we got a Tales game, its been less than 2 years, quite normal for many series.

    I'll bite: Like what?
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  • omegabyteomegabyte He's just this guy, you know? RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Confessor Rahl said:
    I'll bite: Like what?

    Well, for Vesperia, there's likely three solid reasons: 1) it would require new localization efforts for the new content, 2) the game has already seen a release in North America on the 360, which will significantly cut into the potential sales of a PS3 re-release, and 3) they already tried bringing over a re-release with Eternal Sonata, and I don't believe that was particularly successful. Once bitten, twice shy. To be honest, I'm absolutely amazed they bothered with ES at all, and I never honestly believed this would be coming over.

    As for Graces, it's likely a combination of the fact that the game didn't do too well in Japan, it was widely criticized for having numerous bugs, and was released at a time when Namco Bandai is struggling financially. At this point, if they do decide to release it, it will almost assuredly be the PS3 version. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

    The next Tales game to be released here will probably be the PS3 one they've started working on, Unitia or Unita I think it's called. I'd say we're probably a good year away from that one at the very least in Japan, so Namco has some time to get their finances in order.
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Confessor Rahl said:
    I'll bite: Like what?

    Halo, Final Fantasy Main Series, Dragon Quest main series, Star Ocean, Fable, Suikoden, Elder Scrolls, Disgaea. There's re-releases, remakes, expansions and what not in-between, but seriously what other RPG series is releases main-line games every year?

    (And before you try and say Shin Megami Tensei, lest not forget that SMT is basically a bunch of smaller series).
  • ClixClix Never Google Image Search Full Members
    edited August 2010
    There's a difference there. Those series don't skip main entries anymore. In these last two years, we've missed two mothership Tales games.
  • ZbornakZbornak Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    I don't know how this will affect anything, but Namco Bandai America is getting a new president in order to "further its vision of creating games that appeal to a mass audience and to best compete in the worldwide gaming industry."
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  • watcherwatcher Veteran RPGamer Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Let's not forget that bouncing a series between every platform in the current console generation makes it hard for fans to follow. Seriously, is there any current system without a tales game made for it or in the works (in Japan at least)?
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Clix said:
    There's a difference there. Those series don't skip main entries anymore. In these last two years, we've missed two mothership Tales games.

    Right we don't miss main entries because they aren't coming out every freaking year. Tales is not a sports franchise or something.
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    edited August 2010
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  • Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs The Bemused Administrators
    edited August 2010
    Wheels said:
    Right we don't miss main entries because they aren't coming out every freaking year. Tales is not a sports franchise or something.
    I do hope that with the recent financial troubles, they'll start slowing down on their releases. They'll have more money to work on individual games and may consider localizing them more often.
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Strawberry Eggs said:
    I do hope that with the recent financial troubles, they'll start slowing down on their releases. They'll have more money to work on individual games and may consider localizing them more often.

    That would be nice! I think they've wasted enough development talent on Radiant Mythology games :)
  • omegabyteomegabyte He's just this guy, you know? RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    watcher said:
    Let's not forget that bouncing a series between every platform in the current console generation makes it hard for fans to follow. Seriously, is there any current system without a tales game made for it or in the works (in Japan at least)?

    Let's see...

    Xbox 360 - Vesperia. Check!
    PS3 - Vesperia. Check!
    Wii - Dawn of the New World, Graces. Check!
    DS - Tempest, Innocence, Hearts. Check!
    PSP - Radiant Mythology 1, 2, 3, a bajillion ports and spin-offs. Check!

    So yea. They've got every platform covered.
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  • VeghabeVeghabe Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Well technically if you include Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri dungeon X then its 4 new tales of games that most likely will never have a North American release not 3 games.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    Veghabe said:
    Well technically if you include Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri dungeon X then its 4 new tales of games that most likely will never have a North American release not 3 games.

    We really don't need to include that.
  • MeoTwister5MeoTwister5 Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    If I had to choose between getting a poorly localized Tales game every year to a well localized one every 2, I'll gladly take the second. I just wished that Bamco would realize that it's not illogical to assume that a well accepted game in Japan could also be well accepted in the rest of the world.
  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited August 2010
    I think part of the problem with Vesperia was not so much the poor sales, but it was poor sales for system X. No offense to them but Xbox 360 wasn't a well recieved console for the RPG's here even with all teh funding. I'm even games with garunteed numbers like FF XIII, sold poorly on teh 360 when compared to teh number on PS3. SO yeah 33K copies first week is low but thats also a 360 title. I know for awhile that FINDING a copy was a pain in the butt I checked in two stores here locally and the nearest used/new copy was up in Colorado which is nearly 150 - 200 miles away. Not a single in this state at all so not sure what BN is going off of
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  • GaijinMonogatariGaijinMonogatari RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    omegabyte said:
    Let's see...

    Xbox 360 - Vesperia. Check!
    PS3 - Vesperia. Check!
    Wii - Dawn of the New World, Graces. Check!
    DS - Tempest, Innocence, Hearts. Check!
    PSP - Radiant Mythology 1, 2, 3, a bajillion ports and spin-offs. Check!

    So yea. They've got every platform covered.

    You forgot the half-dozen mobile phone games they've produced in the last three years.

    But nothing for iPad yet.... does that count?
  • SuperHenryJonesSuperHenryJones Will whine for meseta Full Members
    edited August 2010
    Here's the problem with the Tales games: There were too many of them and there continues to be too many of them. I remember when Tales of Symphonia became a minor hit, they revved up three or four Tales game simultaneously. I can't buy Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Legendia, AND Tales of the Abyss. I can't buy Vesperia AND the sequel to Symphonia. I have a budget. I have rent and utilities and student loans and a dozen other game series and possible original titles that are giving me that look I can't resist. And when the heck am I going to have the time to get through all of these? Here's an idea: Work on ONE Tales game every couple years. Polish it up REAL nice (And never ever let whoever did the character designs on Legendia in the office again. Seriously), and release it. You're not Harvest Moon. You can't work on the cheap and get away with releasing two or three titles a year. EVEN with a plush pre-order bonus. Not on a traditional 40+ hour RPG.
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2010
    MeoTwister5 said:
    If I had to choose between getting a poorly localized Tales game every year to a well localized one every 2, I'll gladly take the second. I just wished that Bamco would realize that it's not illogical to assume that a well accepted game in Japan could also be well accepted in the rest of the world.

    I like how everyone portrays Namco as this evil villain, high in their tower of villainy clutching the tales games and laughing and evil laugh.

    The reality of the matter is Namco realizes just that, hence why we've gotten most of the freaking main line games. PS3 Vesperia probably would have done better here, but the the localization for the 360 version was probably well under way when that version was announced, not to mention selling for the console with the bigger user base here would seem to make sense.

    Obviously it didn't do well, thus the lack of the PS3 version here. However I really am annoyed by the level of complaining about not getting the PS3 version. Its not like there isn't a localized version of the thing to play.

    There's no localized version of 7th Dragon AT ALL, do you have any idea how annoyed it makes me seeing people complain about not getting a game we already have?
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