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Breath of Fire IV Blowing Steam on PlayStation Network

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edited August 2011 in Latest Updates
The PlayStation Network has been quite generous with the amount of RPGs being re-released. August is already heating up as Breath of Fire IV joins the ranks.

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  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    It's always nice to see a good game like this get a new release. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if I didn't already own a perfectly useable copy of the game.
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    I should really pick up the old BoF games on the PSN one of these days. When I don't already have a gigantic backlog...
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  • 7thCircle7thCircle RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    This is one of the very few games I found to be so awful and unlikeable that I wonder what kind of brain damage one needs to think it is great. Sometime we need to have a Grandma Wilson podcast where I slam RPGs I hate and have people who like them pitifully fail at defending them. Terrible as it is, I *kinda* get why some people like FF8 -- usually the argument for FF8 involves playing it in a very specific, unintuitive manner -- so that can be off the table. The Grandma Wilson podcast would involve at least BoF4, Shiren, and Tales of Legendia. I've yet to hear a remotely coherent argument for why any of those games aren't bad, although I see vague references to how great they are every now and then.

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    EDIT: Just to be clear -- I consider BoF4 to be the worst traditional JRPG I've ever finished. I think I kept playing it because I thought maybe it would get better later, and because it was a very slow period for new RPGs when I played it.
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  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    You've got poor taste, Seventh. Breath of Fire IV is a lot of fun. :P

    Sure, it isn't as awesome as the ever-sublime Dragon Quarter, but I'm having trouble even beginning to understand why you would single out BoF4 like that...
  • Zaku77Zaku77 Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    They need to release III on PSN as well. Then I could put it on a card and skip the long load times of the PSP version!
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  • 7thCircle7thCircle RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    It's not a new opinion. It's been on my bio page as a Least Favorite RPG since I wrote it in 2008. It was #1 until Macstorm made me play and finish Valhalla Knights 2 later that year.

    I loved Dragon Quarter though. It probably helped that it was the first BoF game I played, and I had been told it was unique. My only issue with Dragon Quarter was the battle system.
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  • VonBeardlyVonBeardly Beard God Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I would much prefer to see 3 hit the PSN than 4. I found 4 pretty bland from start to finish. Sadly I have yet to play dragon quarter, may have to find a copy and give it a try at some point.
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  • TheMooseTheMoose Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Too bad Breath of Fire 3 won't be available on the Playstation Network.
  • NyxNyx Staff Girly Girl RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    Hey now, y'all, you never know about BoF3. It could be happening. :)
  • NightfoxNightfox Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    This is interesting, usually in threads like this, I see people bashing Dragon Quarter in the same way while praising Breath of Fire IV... but to be clear yes I like BoF5 much more.

    If I had to figure out why people really like BoF4, it would probably come down to the split storytelling aspect. It's not original, but it was actually utilized in a way that made sense which doesn't happen nearly as often as I would hope. I notice a lot of friends who are BoF4 fans favoring of Fou-Lu and his experiences that culminate in the ending act.
    The rest of the game isn't all that bad: it had a good turn-based system that utilized the whole party instead of keeping the backline just sitting around and letting game over happen. The character stories were a bit more grounded, and their art was nice. My non-RPG fan friends consider BoF4's design/concept artwork some of the best of any Japanese RPG - they worship the artbook for it.

    I dunno, to call it the WORST traditional JRPG ever is kind of... I've definitely played lots worse than this, some that many I've seen posted here as others' personal favorites. In my opinion it's just very average. It had some decent combat that allowed some non-typical strategies but not nearly the vibrancy or excitement of its predecessor of BoF3. The music is unmemorable, the graphics - even with the sharp detailed sprites - seem faded (due in no small part to the desolate setting I'm sure). Unfortunately I can't remember much more off the top of my head to defend it, but this is the lasting impression I got from the game.
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  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I thought both Dragon Quarter and BoF4 were both piles a dung on the floor.
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  • 7thCircle7thCircle RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    Nightfox said:
    I dunno, to call it the WORST traditional JRPG ever is kind of... I've definitely played lots worse than this, some that many I've seen posted here as others' personal favorites.

    I said worst that I have finished. That's a big qualifier for me because I drop games that are bad or uninteresting. Bad games that, for whatever reason, I play to completion are going to leave a much stronger negative impact on me than probably worse ones I played for 5 hours and abandoned. I also don't play games I expect to dislike (reviewing here has made some recent exceptions to that....). All told, that knocks out a lot of RPGs that are certainly worse than BoF4. Had I started BoF4 now when I have several other games to play, I would probably have dropped it halfway through and promptly forgotten about its existence. Kinda like I did to Sakura Wars 5 last month and Darksiders earlier this year.
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  • JormungandJormungand Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I'm glad I've got the good sense to love all 5 games. All have great stories (except for the first), all have great music (though BoF2 was highly cliche); and all have good gameplay. What's not to like?
  • chaoticprimechaoticprime Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    @7thCircle- You have not stated a remotely coherent argument as to why they are not good. Your challenge does nothing but promote arguing relatives. You can state all the reasons why you think these games are bad, but they have no factual basis behind them, and neither would any argument contrary to yours. The abstract quality of "goodness" that these games lack does not have an objective definition.

    Here is my argument, "these games are good, because you cannot prove they are not."
  • LegendaryZoltanLegendaryZoltan Releaser of Heavy Metal Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Ohh-ho! 7th Circle making the message boards lively! It's kind of mind-blowing to me to hear that people didn't like anything about Breath of Fire 4. The graphics, right off the bat totally captured me with the 2D sprites on 3D backgrounds. They looked beautiful. The music didn't seem forgettable at all to me. I can still remember two or three songs even today! This game was very cinematic in my opinion as well. It's kind of like watching a movie at times. Especially the intro. The crazy combo system they used for the battles was so fun. The characters all seemed quite interesting to me. I love the dog character! The master system and fishing mini-games are well refined, and to top it all off it has a dramatic story. I like drama. But yeah, there's no way we can really argue about this. 7th Circle could just take all those points and say, "No, it wasn't!" But that's all really ANYONE can do in this kind of topic. But like Chaoticprime said, what ARE your reasons for not liking it? We should start with that.
  • chaoticprimechaoticprime Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    LegendaryZoltan said:
    Ohh-ho! 7th Circle making the message boards lively! It's kind of mind-blowing to me to hear that people didn't like anything about Breath of Fire 4. The graphics, right off the bat totally captured me with the 2D sprites on 3D backgrounds. They looked beautiful. The music didn't seem forgettable at all to me. I can still remember two or three songs even today! This game was very cinematic in my opinion as well. It's kind of like watching a movie at times. Especially the intro. The crazy combo system they used for the battles was so fun. The characters all seemed quite interesting to me. I love the dog character! The master system and fishing mini-games are well refined, and to top it all off it has a dramatic story. I like drama. But yeah, there's no way we can really argue about this. 7th Circle could just take all those points and say, "No, it wasn't!" But that's all really ANYONE can do in this kind of topic. But like Chaoticprime said, what ARE your reasons for not liking it? We should start with that.

    I love the fishing mini-game. I usually avoid such in RPGs, but something about it "hooked me."
  • PimpaliciousPimpalicious Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Nice, I don't really get the way Capcom releases these digitally though with BoF II being on the VC for forever now but still not the original. And now IV is coming to PSN but no mention of III.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited August 2011
    FINALLY they release this. Now they should give us BoF3 for the sake of all that is good in gaming.
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  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Pimpalicious said:
    Nice, I don't really get the way Capcom releases these digitally though with BoF II being on the VC for forever now but still not the original. And now IV is coming to PSN but no mention of III.

    Thats because BoF3 had a PSP remake that didn't hit the states.

    http://www.amazon.com/Breath-of-Fire-3-PSP/dp/B00350F75K
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  • chaoticprimechaoticprime Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Pimpalicious said:
    Nice, I don't really get the way Capcom releases these digitally though with BoF II being on the VC for forever now but still not the original. And now IV is coming to PSN but no mention of III.

    It probably has something to do with the first game being localized by Squaresoft, though that did not make any difference for their GBA ports.

    I would also like to see III on PSN, quite a bit, though IV is still my favorite of the series.
  • watcherwatcher Veteran RPGamer Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I have to agree that 4 was at least the worst of the series.
  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Again i reference my post on the previous page where they made a PSP version of bof 3 that was not released in the US
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  • NightfoxNightfox Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    7thCircle said:
    I said worst that I have finished. That's a big qualifier for me because I drop games that are bad or uninteresting.
    Ack, my reading comprehension failed, I apologize. I am the opposite, so I tend to play a LOT of horrific games just for the sake of never having the urge to play them again - though this usually only is an issue when someone tells me a game is amazing that I absolutely hated. Some people I get into arguments with just won't let it go if you haven't finished a game :x
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  • 7thCircle7thCircle RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    chaoticprime said:
    @7thCircle- You have not stated a remotely coherent argument as to why they are not good. Your challenge does nothing but promote arguing relatives.

    I agree! If you read my tone as anything other than facetious, you read me wrong. All caps and references to myself as Grandma Wilson are solid indicators that you don't need to get your feathers ruffled. I am curious about how anyone can passionately adore BoF4, but I'm too apathetic about it to fight.

    Memories of Valhalla Knights 2, though, still burn within: a hatred not extinguished by my 1/5 review couples with the need to snuff out the lives of all who would praise it. Tell me you like VK2 and I'll trade my tea for whisky, my knitting for boxing gloves, and meet you in Butch Glenn's Podcasting Pit out back.

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  • DravDrav A Serious Man Full Members
    edited August 2011
    What was bad about it? I played the third one and it was typical JRPG trash, but IV seems to draw a similar ire from BoF fans as Dragon Quarter, which kind of makes me want to give it a try.
  • MinneyarMinneyar Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I, for one, loved pretty much everything about BoF4 -- the characters, story, music, graphics, battle system, and localization were all among my favorites on the PS1. My only real complaint with it is that the plot moves pretty slowly at the beginning. I'm ok with spending a bit of time learning about the world, though.

    To be fair, I loved all the other BoF games, too (except BoF1, which I'd put as "fairly average"). I played through the fan retranslation of BoF2 last year and actually enjoyed it more than I remembered. (to be fair, the fan translation is great)
  • 7thCircle7thCircle RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    ThroneofDravaris said:
    What was bad about it? I played the third one and it was typical JRPG trash

    That's a good, brief way to put my issues with BoF4 too, although in less of a typical manner and in more of an in your face, ruining every aspect of the game manner. It turned the JRPG trash volume up to 11. Which could be what some people liked about it because most JRPGs at the time tried to set themselves apart and be unique, I don't know, but it scared me away from all other BoF games. Fortunately I had already played Dragon Quarter.
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  • NightfoxNightfox Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I dunno what "JRPG trash" entails, but I have to admit, Breath of Fire IV was kind of boring to me overall... I had no desire to replay it. What gets me though is that this particular entry actually felt like it could have been bigger in scope. I mean, the stakes just never felt very high despite the forces at work.
    Even the fishing mini-game to me felt toned down, because I loved the depth of the one in III - I'd sometimes come home from work and catch my friend playing JUST the fishing in that game in the living room for me.
    It's just amusing that BoF5 tried to finally fix the stagnation of the series and ended up being the game that pretty much killed it. Which sucks because I really, really liked Dragon Quarter :(
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    of course I recently bought this on disc after recommendations from some people, think I'll just wait to play it when I can do so disc-free now.
  • MonCapitan2002MonCapitan2002 Avatar Captured Full Members
    edited August 2011
    TheAnimeMan said:
    Thats because BoF3 had a PSP remake that didn't hit the states.

    http://www.amazon.com/Breath-of-Fire-3-PSP/dp/B00350F75K
    That's a port, not a remake. A remake is an entire rebuilding of a game. All they did for this game was adjust the aspect ratio so it could fit the PSP screen.
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