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Nintendo to Raise the Skyward Sword in November

Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs A Familiar TeacherAdministrators
edited August 2011 in Latest Updates
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword is set to soar this coming November. Set before Ocarina of Time, it's the earliest game in the series chronologically ... maybe.

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  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Huh. So this is one of those few Zelda games that are set in the same world as another?
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • RazaRaza Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    As a minor form of protest in Nintendo's localization miasma, i'm buying this one used.

    It's not much big N, but it'll make me feel better.
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  • Tequila MockingbirdTequila Mockingbird Resident Cannibal Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I'm apprehensive in regards to "[laying] the foundation for the events in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" really? a foundation? I always felt the mythology behind OoT was pretty simple. 3 Goddesses fool around make a world and abandon it.

    Kidding.

    I'm not sure OoT needs a prequel. If this game is what that is. Although, there is something to be said for the sequel. And, while some might say Majora's mask was lacking, I rather enjoyed it and it's probably my favorite of the Zelda console games.

    But, I'll be picking up Skyward Sword on release. Because, it's almost more about having every zelda game in my VG library, than actual content. Damn my magpie-esque tendencies.

    Edit: I'm totally itching for another handheld Zelda game, I really liked Phantom Hour Glass and Spirit Tracks.

    Edit 2: I take it all back... Just semi-spoiled the plot of Skyward Sword for myself on Wikipedia and I think this prequel will be really cool in fleshing out the world of Hyrule. I see the light. And it's intriguing!
  • flamethrowerflamethrower Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I'm sure it will be worth it. I find it hard to imagine how it could not be. Their last four console Zelda versions were all excellent. They know what they doing.

    The links between the Zelda games exist, if you ask the fans. Unlike most people, I think the fan's opinion is more important than that of the developer because the fan bases their opinion on what is actually in the game. I thought Miyamoto jossed the idea that all Zelda games (most of them anyway) have a defined chronological order. However, the actual content of the games suggest the order put forward by the fans (but not very strongly). I don't think the links between the games are very important compared to the actual content of each game.
  • Tequila MockingbirdTequila Mockingbird Resident Cannibal Full Members
    edited August 2011
    flamethrower said:
    I'm sure it will be worth it. I find it hard to imagine how it could not be. Their last four console Zelda versions were all excellent. They know what they doing.
    Truth. I had fun with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. I take back my comment about "regardless of content" It's Zelda! How could it not be fun! :D
  • Tequila MockingbirdTequila Mockingbird Resident Cannibal Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Ahhhhh! I'm all of a sudden getting really excited I want to go back and play the games all over again. >_>;;;; realistically... maybe just the console games.
  • MasterChiefMasterChief I didn't learn anything! Full Members
    edited August 2011
    I'm still on the fence. The flying looks like it could grate on me quick a la the sailing in wind waker, and while the combat is interesting, it sounds like it'll be a pain if you don't have the steadiest hands in the world.
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  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    I've totally been on media blackout for this one... Very much looking forward to it.

    Also, Zelda timelines are all messed up. They don't work, and never will. :P
  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    TwinBahamut said:
    Also, Zelda timelines are all messed up. They don't work, and never will. :P

    My girlfriend had an alternate explanation for the timelines: Each game is a retelling of the same hero legend by a different culture. It's simple and cleanly explains why a lot of them feel like a rehash of the same subject. No messy timeline.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited August 2011
    shoptroll said:
    My girlfriend had an alternate explanation for the timelines: Each game is a retelling of the same hero legend by a different culture. It's simple and cleanly explains why a lot of them feel like a rehash of the same subject. No messy timeline.

    Somebody should spread this theory to the far reaches of the internet...
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  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    That theory has been around since before OoT was released, but it just can't seem to compete with some fans' desire to connect Zelda games in all kinds of weird ways.
  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    TwinBahamut said:
    it just can't seem to compete with some fans' desire to connect Zelda games in all kinds of weird ways.
    Probably for the same reason people don't like ambiguous endings. We just like stuff to be wrapped up with a bow on it.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    My theory is that "Princess Zelda" is actually an immeasurably powerful demon with a bad case of narcissism. She travels the multiverse, finding lands ripe for epic conflict, then inserts herself into the situation. She secretly provides a powerful artifact to a nobody with wicked ambitions, setting the land up for a fall. She then anoints a "chosen one" who is young and naive enough to follow her without question. She takes sadistic glee in providing this hero with a ridiculous getup and the conviction that he can save the world, then manipulates things so that he's able to do so despite all odds being against him. She usually has to babysit him during the final fight against a foe that's far too powerful for him, but she derives great pleasure out of playing the fair princess for whom these hapless lads will sacrifice anything. Zelda's conflicts have a tendency to cause widespread misery and tremendous cataclysm across the lands she infests, but that only feeds her ego.

    Ahem. I do enjoy a good Zelda game, and am very much looking forward to this one. Too bad Nintendo has otherwise given up on the Wii. :(
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  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    That's beautiful.

    Zelda as a siren of sorts makes so much sense.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    But how does that theory fit into the CDi games where Zelda is saving Link?
  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Wheels said:
    But how does that theory fit into the CDi games where Zelda is saving Link?

    Heretic. Blasphemer. Do not mention those.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited August 2011
    Wheels said:
    But how does that theory fit into the CDi games where Zelda is saving Link?

    Oh god WHY!? WHY did you have to say it!? IT BURNS!
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  • Fowl SorcerousFowl Sorcerous Dread News Editor RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
  • Super Duper GuySuper Duper Guy Member Full Members
    edited August 2011
    Zelda is a franchise I have always had a hard time playing. I know it's silly, but I just can't play Zelda games like I can others. And now that I'm older, I still can't. I hope someday I get over this hump so that I can actually enjoy playing a Zelda game. So, please everyone, play the new Zelda, and kick butt for people like me who would love to conquer a Zelda game, but just can't.

    ...or if I'm the only one in this group, do it for me. Please?
    Play whatever makes you happy.
  • Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs A Familiar Teacher Administrators
    edited August 2011
    There are several games that canonically take place after another: The original and Zelda II; Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask; The Winder Waker -> Phantom Hourglass -> Spirit Tracks; Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons; Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time. Then there are slightly ambiguous or complicated ones: Ocarina of Time to Wind Waker and Twilight Princess (via a split timeline), A Link to the Past and the first two games; Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past; The Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventure. Many people seem to think Link's Awakening takes place right after A Link to the Past, though I don't know how solid that connection is.

    The problem arises when you try to put every game in the series into a timeline. Where the heck do the Oracles games fit in? Or the games with Vaati in them? Do A Link to the Past and the first two games take place in the child timeline or the adult one? Does it really matter?

    It doesn't help that in the past, Miyamoto didn't seem to particularly care about the existence of a timeline, and even contradicted himself on when A Link to the Past took place. When Eiji Aonuma began acting as director, then producer of the series, he seemed to want to make the games fit into a timeline, or at least the ones he worked on.
    " I think this is why aging makes humans die! "
  • Fowl SorcerousFowl Sorcerous Dread News Editor RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    Berry, you're very sweet girl and I like very dearly as person. but you're huge freakin' nerd.
  • Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs A Familiar Teacher Administrators
    edited August 2011
    Tell me something I don't know, Sorcerous.

    Though Ocelot's Demon-Zelda theory works here, too. The games that are connected, or seem to be connected are cases where she stays in one world for mutliple conflicts. The sudden changes are when she gets bored with one world and goes to another.
    " I think this is why aging makes humans die! "
  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2011
    Strawberry Eggs said:
    Many people seem to think Link's Awakening takes place right after A Link to the Past, though I don't know how solid that connection is.
    I'm pretty sure the manual for the game explicitly stated that its the same Link in both Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. Regardless, Link's Awakening's Link already met a Princess Zelda and arguably already defeated Ganon by that point based on in game stuff, so he's got to a veteran of some game.
    The problem arises when you try to put every game in the series into a timeline. Where the heck do the Oracles games fit in?
    The Orcale games seem to reference the original game and Zelda 2 more than anything else, interestingly enough. At the very least, they depict a Hyrule where the three separated pieces of the Triforce are just sitting in Hyrule Castle, and Ganon is dead. Zelda even knows Link, so it might even be possible to argue that those games share a Zelda and Link with the original two games. This especially makes sense considering that the Orcale games were originally going to be made as a trio of games that included a remake of the original Legend of Zelda. Still, these connections make more sense as an ode to the originals than a real timeline...
    It doesn't help that in the past, Miyamoto didn't seem to particularly care about the existence of a timeline, and even contradicted himself on when A Link to the Past took place. When Eiji Aonuma began acting as director, then producer of the series, he seemed to want to make the game fit into a timeline, or at least the ones he worked on.
    Yep. According to one statement by Miyamoto, A Link to the Past takes place chronologically after the first two games, even though this really never made much sense to me when I was younger...

    For the record, I've never, ever been a fan of the "split timeline" theory. It just doesn't make sense at all given the portrayal of how time travel actually happens to work in OoT and that game's ending. It makes even less sense when it is used to justify Twilight Princess following OoT, considering that the backstory of Twilight Princess isn't even compatible with the events of OoT. It is even worse when you consider that the split timeline idea still only allows two games to come after OoT, and both Link to the Past and Wind Waker already take up those two slots (OoT is rather blatantly a retelling/reimagining of LttP's backstory, and Wind Waker directly references events from Majora's Mask), yet people seem to insist that it all works anyways... It isn't a timeline if you have to retcon the timeline every time a new game is released...

    Anyways, for me, Twilight Princess was the game where I realized that timelines only make sense if you assume that Ganon reincarnates as much as Link and Zelda do, meaning that the entire method of assuming Ganondorf/Ganon's life is a constant across the games to establish a timeline doesn't work. Which leaves very little else for establishing timelines, and helps make stuff like the split timeline a lot less necessary.
  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    TwinBahamut said:
    I'm pretty sure the manual for the game explicitly stated that its the same Link in both Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. Regardless, Link's Awakening's Link already met a Princess Zelda and arguably already defeated Ganon by that point based on in game stuff, so he's got to a veteran of some game.
    That's what I recall as well, although it might have been the Nintendo Power issues at the time? I can double check tomorrow.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited August 2011
    Do you guys think Ganon will appear in some shape or form in this game?
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  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    DarkRPGMaster said:
    Do you guys think Ganon will appear in some shape or form in this game?
    Nintendo says no, but I doubt they're being truthful. I wouldn't be surprised if something Gerudo related is in the plot though.
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited August 2011
    shoptroll said:
    Nintendo says no, but I doubt they're being truthful. I wouldn't be surprised if something Gerudo related is in the plot though.
    How much you wanna bet that the evil villain of this game is an ancestor of the Gerudo?
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  • shoptrollshoptroll Have towel will travel Full Members
    edited August 2011
    DarkRPGMaster said:
    How much you wanna bet that the evil villain of this game is an ancestor of the Gerudo?
    Why make a sure bet?
    So long & thanks for all the fish!
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