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RPG Backtrack: Episode 64 - Way of the Dragon

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edited February 2012 in Latest Updates
Within please find the story of what for a long time was Capcom's premiere RPG series. It involves a great many Ryus and Ninas, along with one gem that gets plentiful praise.
Five of them, and Capcom's sat on the IP for almost a decade... what can it be?
It's not what he's eating, but what's eating him that makes it ... sort of interesting.
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  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    I talked about this on the show, but I want to put it in writing. You can now Tell Your Story!!

    Perhaps you have heard about StoryCorps, a place where "Americans of all backgrounds and beliefs with the opportunity to record, share and preserve the stores of our lives." Many of the stories are saved via audio recording and stored in the Library of Congress for future generations to hear.

    Here at RPGamer, we realize that our experiences with RPGs are much more exciting than any silly real life story. And, yet, we don't have a way to record OUR experiences for future generations to hear! Don't Worry!! RPGamer is here to save the day!

    Now, you can record your thoughts on your favorite RPGs from the way back when right up through yesteryear! You too can save your most precious memories for your posterity and generations to come. Imagine the excitement of children who have a PS8 when they hear your voice recalling, "When I was your age, we had to use controllers to play RPGs!" Imagine their delight as you rant about the pains of unbalanced RPGs older than Methuselah!

    So, how can you immortalize YOUR story? I'm glad you asked!

    First, write down your script or some notes. You will want to have your thoughts organized for your big moment in history. Make sure you mention the game, system and year of release. Next, pull out a watch and go through it once while you time yourself. You want to aim for between 2 and 5 minutes. Next, call us up at RPGBacktrack at 801-810-5597. Tell us your story! If for some reason you totally mess up, just say so, hang up, call back and try again. Alternatively, those who are more giften in the ways of audio recording may create a fancy MP3 file and email it to [EMAIL="jcservant@rpgamer.com"]jcservant@rpgamer.com[/EMAIL] (copy [EMAIL="jcservant@cyberlightcomics.com"]jcservant@cyberlightcomics.com[/EMAIL] too... I seem to have a few problems with my rpgamer mail sometimes)

    As long as you follow these guidelines, YOUR story will be immortalized on an upcoming RPGBacktrack show. So, call us TODAY!


    I didn't get a chance to metion it directly on the show, but we have not one by TWO recordings already, sent in by our listeners. The Legendary Zoltan gives HIS opinion on Star Ocean 4 (A cry against the criminal charges our staff levied against the game) and Strawberry Eggs talks about Mother! So, make sure to hang on after the main podcast. I start them pretty quick so they're pretty hard to miss.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    That's some great Linkage action, Wheels. I don't believe we said it enough on the cast, so it bears repeating, if you haven't given BoF: DQ a decent try, you need to run...don't walk...to your computer, order this wonderous game and enjoy. Immediately. That's an order :)
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    jcservant said:
    That's some great Linkage action, Wheels. I don't believe we said it enough on the cast, so it bears repeating, if you haven't given BoF: DQ a decent try, you need to run...don't walk...to your computer, order this wonderous game and enjoy. Immediately. That's an order :)
    I tried it and didn't like it. At all. So pbbt.
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  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    We address those who 'tried it and didn't like it' on the cast. So make sure you listen :) Now, you might be an exception..there are always exceptions.... but hear us out before you state why you don't agree. :D
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Oh, the reasons I don't like Dragon Quarter are totally based on my own gaming preferences. :)
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  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    dis-like Dragon Quarter? That doesn't compute in my brain. I only comprehend varying degrees of Dragon Quarter love.
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    1. I have a completely real albeit completely irrational hatred for time limits of any sort. A burning hatred of HATE.
    2. I dislike repeating content.
    Becky Cunningham, Staff-at-Large
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  • XR2XR2 Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Twist my arm. So I ordered a copy of Dragon Quarter. I've been curious about it since it came out, and since it's not obscenely priced, I might as well try it out (eventually).
    I've played the beginning of 1, 2 & 3, but I never finished any of them, though I remember 2 being my favorite. All I remember from one is the life bars for bosses. 3 completely failed to engage me after several hours so I dropped it.
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Ocelot said:
    1. I have a completely real albeit completely irrational hatred for time limits of any sort. A burning hatred of HATE.
    2. I dislike repeating content.
    We address both of those concerns on the 'cast. It may not change your mind about it...but check it out. After listening, assuming you gave the game a good shake (got far enough to the game to talk more in detail), I'd like to know if you felt we were off base. A lot of gamers either passed this game up, or only tried it for a few hours for the reasons you list and more. We talk about what happens when you go further in, and how those issues, while somewhat valid, can also be part of the game's unique charm.

    At the end of the day, of course, to each their own.
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    XR2 said:
    Twist my arm. So I ordered a copy of Dragon Quarter. I've been curious about it since it came out, and since it's not obscenely priced, I might as well try it out (eventually).
    I've played the beginning of 1, 2 & 3, but I never finished any of them, though I remember 2 being my favorite. All I remember from one is the life bars for bosses. 3 completely failed to engage me after several hours so I dropped it.
    Glad to hear it! Be sure to post on the forums or send some thoughts to Q&A (wheels@rpgamer.com) once you do play it. Would be interested to see what you think!
    Ocelot said:
    1. I have a completely real albeit completely irrational hatred for time limits of any sort. A burning hatred of HATE.
    Unless you're using the dragon powers very often, you shouldn't hit the "time limit" playing the game.
    2. I dislike repeating content.
    I understand that, I think that's why people were turned off by the idea of this game, but its such an essential part of the game that you don't actually end up repeating as much content as you'd think.
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    XR2, if you get to play through it, and you want to tell YOUR story of the experience, please feel free to call in and do so. We'll get that on the next show!

    Becky, I'm not sure how much time you spent on the game...but you're more than welcome to present your counter-point review if you've put enough time into it to go into some detail. We welcome all viewpoints at the end of the day (as long as they support my own MWHAHAHAHA :P )
  • XR2XR2 Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    I'm finishing my last semester of school at the moment, so I won't get to play the game any time soon unfortunately. But I'm always happy to pontificate about the virtues and vices of the games I play.
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Hey, no rush. I'm hoping that this new initiative will be around for some time. (It will be base on reception, of course). You are more than welcome to call about any other RPG you've completed. As long as it's a couple of years old or more, you can call and share your story with the world!
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    Wheels said:
    Unless you're using the dragon powers very often, you shouldn't hit the "time limit" playing the game.

    I understand that, I think that's why people were turned off by the idea of this game, but its such an essential part of the game that you don't actually end up repeating as much content as you'd think.
    I have NEVER hit the time limit in Dragon Quarter, even when playing the game my first time through. Though I do understand the dislike of it, but that's because I've dealt with Prince of Persia (original). NOT ENOUGH TIME! D:<

    Repeating happens at some areas, but at others it rarely occurs. Such as towards the end of the game, where you have a choice of I believe 4 routes through an area. Each one gives a different story and boss, and you can only make the choice once during that playthrough. So you'd be experiencing something new with each playthrough if you remember what paths you have taken.
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  • TwinBahamutTwinBahamut Staff Healer RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    I'll reiterate that the time limit in the game is not a problem unless you've been liberal with your dragon power (which is really the bigger reason to restart). If you play through the whole game without using dragon power (not at all easy unless you're on a later playthrough), then you'll have a D-Counter of about 20%, I think. That's counting all the time it takes to defeat every enemy (since enemies don't respawn) and explore every area you can find in a single playthrough. There simply isn't enough content in the game for you to fill the D-Counter through time alone. As a comparison, you can easily burn 20% of the D-Counter in a single battle in which you use D-Dive.
  • lolwhoopslolwhoops Member HalifaxFull Members
    edited February 2012
    I never got near the limit other than when I was purposely going overboard with the transformation. I got to the "final battle" with 99.6% and, thankfully, all you need to do is activate the move to win, not actually have enough charge time. I actually really liked how after beating it I could see a bunch of new scenes, still have my weapons and skills and my pot of experience. I love new game+ normally, but this is the kind I really love. I never game over'd or had to restart my first play through at all. I never understood what people were talking about with having to start over a bunch. Maybe my experience was just an oddity?
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  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    I swear there was some other kind of time limit besides the dragon power one. Either way, it was years ago and I just remember the game didn't appeal to me, and I have no interest in playing it again. Too many other things I actually want to play. :)
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  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    And hey that's fair. I mean.... Oh, wait...did you say you have NO interest in playing it again!? Heresy!!
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Ocelot said:
    Too many other things I actually want to play. :)
    Yes but none of those things are as good as Dragon Quarter. Yes even THAT thing! and THAT one!
  • ShayminShaymin The Gratitude Pokemon Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Breath of Fire 1 hasn't actually been put out on VC, but 2 has ($8). 2 also has a rather good looking fan retranslation that you can get if you're willing to dig around the shadier corners of the Internet.

    I've only played 2 and remember having to use the Dragon Puppy spells (single-target fun) on the boss holding your dad hostage. I still can't believe my 12-year old self beat this game in under 45 hours, but that was a rather quiet summer for me.
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  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Great comments. keep them coming. I'll get them mentioned on the next show. And, remember, you can always call in and "Tell Your Story" :) Seriously, can you tell I LOVE this idea?
  • kazrikokazriko Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    BoF3 was my first game of the series, I played it on a rental for about 16 hours, bought it a few years later for about 15 more, then finally made a concerted effort about 7-8 years later and finished it in 60 hours. I think this is the longest time from starting a game to finishing it I've yet done, but as soon as I finish DQ2... (though, with BOF3 I actually used the same save file across 10+ years!) I really like the game, but it may be nostalgia glasses.

    BoF5 was my next one. I loved the combat system, liked the story, played it until I was at 1/64 just to see if the dialog would change. When the character who was also a 1/64 referred to me as "low-D" I pretty much decided it wasn't worth playing through another time, but I think I want to go back and play it again.

    BoF1 I played on GBA/DS next. I called it my Insomnia cure. I used it to get to sleep, it usually only took 10-15 minutes.

    I'm working on BoF2 and I'm finding it to fill much the same niche. I have BoF4, I played about 4 hours and then forgot to go back to it. I'm going to go play it again once 2 is done now that I can play it on a portable.
  • hoktomasterhoktomaster Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    I rented the third one years ago didn't get very far through it, then I bought it a bit later and got to the last boss died a few times and couldnt be bother to grind so never finished it. I still though the game was great, the whole thing with 10 or so years later was one of the best story devices in a JRPG ever and its a shame no game (to my recollection) since has done that and the the whole fairy town sidequest was also great, I also have the game for the PSP.

    Then number 4, as I loved the third one I bought this the day it came out, got to the last dungeon but it got so confusing I never finished it,I loved the whole seeing parts of the story from the antagonists side, it really showed his motivation for what he was doing.

    5 I didn't like, never got very far in it, still own it and I might play it sometime and 1 and 2 iv got but havent really played much.
    I wouldn't even bother to Eat that coz your already dead

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  • FiremystFiremyst Daddy Dragon II RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Ocelot said:
    I swear there was some other kind of time limit besides the dragon power one. Either way, it was years ago and I just remember the game didn't appeal to me, and I have no interest in playing it again. Too many other things I actually want to play. :)
    I felt the same way. I couldn't tell you why BoF:DQ wasn't any fun, because I don't remember why. BoF3 was more fun. :)
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  • kazrikokazriko Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    hoktomaster said:
    5 I didn't like, never got very far in it, still own it and I might play it sometime and 1 and 2 iv got but havent really played much.
    I really wouldn't recommend going back to 1 and 2 unless your backlog is completely empty. I'm not even sure why I'm playing 2 at this point other than wanting to completely eliminate my GBA library so I can get rid of my DS Lite...

    But you really should finish Dragon Quarter. Don't worry about dying in it or your progress, it's really not a very long game. It's a lot like a platformer or a dungeon crawler that makes you repeat the content so that you master it, except you do get to keep some progress. One hint is that you should use about 1/3rd of your bonus EXP at the start of a new cycle to level Ryu, and about half of what's left of it to level Nina and Rin when you get them (Save that last third for the next cycle.) You'll get much further if you do this, and the further you get the more bonus EXP you will earn. When you're facing a really tough boss, go ahead and break out the dragon change. It'll hurt you this cycle but earn you more weapons, skills, and bonus EXP for the next cycle to get past that boss rather than getting killed.
  • kazrikokazriko Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Ocelot said:
    I swear there was some other kind of time limit besides the dragon power one. Either way, it was years ago and I just remember the game didn't appeal to me, and I have no interest in playing it again. Too many other things I actually want to play. :)
    Actually, there is one other time limit, but it's entirely optional. When you play the game the first time you start with a rating of 1/4096, which locks certain doors from you when you play through. There's something like 5-6 factors that go into your score when you start the game over again. One of those is the time it took to complete. Others include the number of save coins you use, how many first strikes you get, the number of enemies you defeated, and how many levels in Kokon Horay you finished. (There may be others that I'm forgetting.) As I said, entirely optional and purely for those wanting to replay the game repeatedly to master the game and reach the best D-rating score of 1/4.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    kazriko said:
    Actually, there is one other time limit, but it's entirely optional. When you play the game the first time you start with a rating of 1/4096, which locks certain doors from you when you play through. There's something like 5-6 factors that go into your score when you start the game over again. One of those is the time it took to complete. Others include the number of save coins you use, how many first strikes you get, the number of enemies you defeated, and how many levels in Kokon Horay you finished. (There may be others that I'm forgetting.) As I said, entirely optional and purely for those wanting to replay the game repeatedly to master the game and reach the best D-rating score of 1/4.
    I remember that. I happened to have mastered the game and gotten 1/4, as well as beaten that evil boss at the bottom of that optional dungeon.
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  • LuptisLuptis New Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    First time posting on these boards but I'm a big fan of the Backtrack. I would have posted some things about some of the other past shows I've been listening to but I think they're a little far back. But seeing as this one is still new I thought I'd share and interesting experience I had with the 3rd game(the only one in the series I've played).

    I'm not sure if this goes along with the comments you guys made about the poor translation or not but there is a part really late in the game where you're stuck in a dream world or something like that and there is no obvious exit. There is a statue that says something like "Bow down and pray before me and the way will be open to you." I was stuck at this part for a really long time, I eventually gave up on it(I'm somewhat stubborn about looking up stuff in FAQ's and guides). The thing was that a friend of mine was also playing through the game at the time and he managed to figure out what to do and was teasing me about how I would never figure it out. Eventually I broke down and asked im for the answer. As it turns out you needed to stand still in front of this statue after talking to it for about 10 seconds(I guess to represent bowing and praying). The funny thing about this story is HOW my friend found the answer. Apparently he was also stuck at the same part and while trying to figure out what to do he got up from the game to use the bathroom and came back to find the puzzle solved. He had gotten up right after talking to the statue and inadvertantly solved it.

    Well thats pretty much the thing the always stands out from that game for me, but overall I liked it, not great but fun overall. I also went ahead and got a copy of Dragon Quarter after hearing what you guys had to say about it. From the way you describe the battle system it sounds a lot like Radiant Historia with the setting of traps and "thinking" required for normal battles.

    P.S. Since it's my first post for the Backtrack I thought I'd make my suggestion of doing one on the Valkyria Chronicles games seeing as the 2nd one is coming up on the 2 year mark this summer. I could even give you some thoughts on the 3rd game since I've imported it and played a pretty good amount.
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited February 2012
    Wow...such an outpouring for Breath of Fire. I love it!! Luptis, welcome to the group. I'm glad you're enjoying the show. It really encourages us to make more of these when people call or write in with their comments. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about Dragon Quarter :) I'll talk with Mike on the show about VC....since he's in charge of scheduling :)
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