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BioWare Unveils the First Mass Effect 3 DLC

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edited March 2012 in Latest Updates
Like a wicked siren, BioWare is attacking its fans' wallets with the alluring and sorrowful call of day-one DLC. Fans must once again decide what they like more: money or awesome alien allies.

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  • ElementolElementol Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    a prothean squad member... wow. cant wait to see this guy/gal
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  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    Elementol said:
    a prothean squad member... wow. cant wait to see this guy/gal
    Ask and ye shall receive. He talks with a Kenyan accent as well, so you know.
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  • FrozenbabylonFrozenbabylon POW! Full Members
    edited February 2012
    I'm excited. This guy comes included in the CE, So I'm glad I'm there this go around.
  • freykinfreykin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    And this is now getting me to cancel my pre-order and transfer it to another game. I draw the line at a game company purposely removing content from a game to sell it as DLC to people who bought an original copy. That's just greedy nonsense. Especially when it's a character that there's no way that you don't want to recruit, due to the previous two games story.
  • King Jowy XXIIKing Jowy XXII Regnus Obscura Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Were it not for the fact that the collector's edition will include the DLC for free, I would be right there with you, Freykin.
  • DravDrav A Serious Man Full Members
    edited February 2012
    I notice there are no neural dialogue options in the demo. Is that going to be DLC as well?
  • freykinfreykin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    It's a frustrating decision to make, too, since the first two Mass Effect's are some of the best games I've played this console generation. However this move feels like they are taking advantage of that to try and milk some extra money out of it, and I'm a firm believer of voting with my money on matters like this. Ah well, Tales of Graces comes out around the same time and this means I can devote more time to it.
  • EmeraldSuzakuEmeraldSuzaku Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    And to think, a year or so ago this would have been the "buy this game new at full regular price" bonus. Not the "buy the more expensive collector's edition" bonus.
  • DravDrav A Serious Man Full Members
    edited February 2012
    What's worse is that they've already revealed that this game will have about half as many party members as 2, so an extra character is a much bigger deal.

    Whatever, I wasn't seriously considering picking this game up anyway. I just hope this isn't something that other RPG developers start to take on board.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    ThroneofDravaris said:
    What's worse is that they've already revealed that this game will have about half as many party members as 2, so an extra character is a much bigger deal.

    Whatever, I wasn't seriously considering picking this game up anyway. I just hope this isn't something that other RPG developers start to take on board.
    I don't mind, considering that they're keeping fan favorites (such as Garrus and Tali) permanent members during the game. Though I do wish we had a choice on who was permanent and who wasn't, other than Ashley and Kaiden (they aren't permanent unless you skip letting them help in the war effort, which lowers the total amount of Galactic Readiness points you can get).
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  • The Last PaladinThe Last Paladin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Hm...yeah I think I'll just wait until the Game of the Year edition comes out when all the DLCs will eventually get added. I got a backlog of game as it is that I need to take care of.
  • The DoomhammerThe Doomhammer Prod with the Prod Full Members
    edited February 2012
    I notice there are no neural dialogue options in the demo. Is that going to be DLC as well?
    They'll be a steal at only 99 cents each!

    Maybe EA could do a thing where you give Origin your credit card info and it adds the neutral dialog options to the game, and every-time you choose one it deducts the money from your account.

    **** I better patent that.
  • TG BarighmTG Barighm Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Stop giving them ideas, heh.
  • KiralynKiralyn Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    BioWare Unveils the First Mass Effect 3 DLC
    "In other news: Internet reactionaries overreact to minor issue."


    I really don't see the fuss over most DLC. Much of it seem REALLY optional, and easy to skip. This one certainly seems to fit that bill. Ah, well. /shrug
  • freykinfreykin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    The problem I have with it is that they had to have made it before the game launched. They're basically taking something from the games development, stripping it from the game, and then charging more for it. If it were one of those DLC things that you get if you buy the game firsthand, I'd roll my eyes, but still get it. Asking for an additional sum for content that should be there in the first place? Sorry, not going to do it.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    freykin said:
    The problem I have with it is that they had to have made it before the game launched. They're basically taking something from the games development, stripping it from the game, and then charging more for it. If it were one of those DLC things that you get if you buy the game firsthand, I'd roll my eyes, but still get it. Asking for an additional sum for content that should be there in the first place? Sorry, not going to do it.
    From what I heard, they only started on this idea after it went Gold (meaning ready for the day it was to be released). The Prothean character was in fact one of their original scrapped ideas for the game that they decided to use, and it took them a few months to get everything squared away with him.
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  • freykinfreykin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Whoa. It went gold THAT long ago? Any links to stuff related to this? If that's the case, that IS different in my mind, and I will get it.

    I'm used to gold being several weeks before release dates, not months in advance. Sometimes I forget how backwards this industry is in when to publish things, what with indie developers releasing stuff whenever they feel like it.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    I remember reading it somewhere, but I'd have to hunt google to find the link to the article. I'll let you know if I find it.
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  • King Jowy XXIIKing Jowy XXII Regnus Obscura Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Kiralyn said:
    "In other news: Internet reactionaries overreact to minor issue."


    I really don't see the fuss over most DLC. Much of it seem REALLY optional, and easy to skip. This one certainly seems to fit that bill. Ah, well. /shrug
    "Reactionaries" and apologists alike are always going to butt heads. Personally, I think that the apologists overlook the bigger picture; the precedent for abuse that releasing DLC like this represents. It opens up the doors for further degradation of the core experience of a game, in favor of double/triple/quadruple/etc-dipping for content that would have been, in previous years, included in the initial price.

    At the end of the day, large-scale publishers are indeed in a "war" with consumers...and before the advent of DLC, consumers could always vote with their dollars to determine how much they were willing to accept before they took those dollars elsewhere. Now, that line is blurring, and those eager for a new release...especially one as eagerly-awaited as Mass Effect 3...are becoming more and more pliant and forgiving. (read: suckers)

    Remember, the idea of DLC is that it represented a means of prolonging the life of a given title...to inject new-life in a game that may have grown stagnant over time. Now, however, DLC is developed in tandem with the actual game, and that content which could have been included with the core experience has become a commodity...not an extension of gameplay for a title that needs a shot-in-the-arm, but a means of digging profit where none existed (nor should have) before. In essence, Day-One DLC represents a sort of hostage situation, where the developed code that was written along with the main title is dangled within wallet's reach.

    What people are mad about is not just this one instance of abuse, as it is, admittedly, of a minor-scale. They are angry because of the gradual, quiet nature of these sorts of actions...a manipulation of the Status-Quo that is slowly pushing the market in the publisher's favor. How long will it be before actual chapters of the whole game are sold piecemeal, even above and beyond the entry fee? Will it take a $60 *.exe alone, with all other game options being sold separately, before people start to say "Hey, now just wait a minute, here..."?

    Read into this what you will...we've been selling our power away as consumers bit by bit for years now...perhaps the sad truth is that gaming is now simply catching up to the rest of the world's markets...
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    Found the article. Important part is quoted below.
    "It takes about three months from 'content complete' to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs," explained Casey Hudson on Twitter. "In that time we work on DLC.

    "DLC has fast certification and no manufacturing, so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your first playthrough on day one.
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  • King Jowy XXIIKing Jowy XXII Regnus Obscura Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Thanks for the quote...however it still doesn't explain the issue of charging for the content.

    I mean, take what he said here:

    "It takes about three months from 'content complete' to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs,"

    This seems to suggest that, were there time, the content would have been included in the core game. All that this explains is the need to release the content as DLC; it does nothing to explain the cost...especially not at $10.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    King Jowy XXII said:
    Thanks for the quote...however it still doesn't explain the issue of charging for the content.

    I mean, take what he said here:

    "It takes about three months from 'content complete' to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs,"

    This seems to suggest that, were there time, the content would have been included in the core game. All that this explains is the need to release the content as DLC; it does nothing to explain the cost...especially not at $10.
    I was only trying to calm down the people wondering why the hell they released DLC this early. Pricing however, I have to disagree with you on. Considering you're getting a Prothean, who has ALOT to say in every area of the game (I've read that on Thessia, he has a TON of things to say about the Asari), and thus expanding the lore, I understand why they charge $10 for it. Not to mention he's already in the CE version, which was already more expensive than the regular version.
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  • TG BarighmTG Barighm Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Found the article. Important part is quoted below.
    Everybody lies. The original 360 only had a 15% failure rate, don'cha know? Oh, and did you see that recent quote from Activision about how they're one of the most innovative publishers in the industry? Yeah...
    Considering you're getting a Prothean, who has ALOT to say in every area of the game (I've read that on Thessia, he has a TON of things to say about the Asari), and thus expanding the lore, I understand why they charge $10 for it. Not to mention he's already in the CE version, which was already more expensive than the regular version.
    So did Shale, who is arguably one of the best characters Bioware has ever produced, and she was purchase incentive DLC. My concern is less about DLC and more about how quickly EA went from new purchase incentives to collector's edition only DLC. Obviously someone figured a highly anticipated game + major lore twist character = fantastic opportunity to gouge consumers. Too bad for them because I would have bought ME3 day 1 if this was a buy new incentive.

    Whatever. I'm not going to cry about it. I'll just wait for the game to go on sale at Wal-Mart for like half off, it always does around major holidays even for the newest games, and then use the money I saved to buy the DLC (when it's on sale, of course).
    At the end of the day, large-scale publishers are indeed in a "war" with consumers
    Many publishers have already said they feel we should be paying $80+ for games. They're kind of getting it by tacking on $20 or so worth of additional content to the games, aren't they?

    That said, to be fair, sometimes I think the people who complain about this sort of thing are the kind of people who have way too much time on their hands.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    TG Barighm said:
    Everybody lies. The original 360 only had a 15% failure rate, don'cha know? Oh, and did you see that recent quote from Activision about how they're one of the most innovative publishers in the industry? Yeah...
    ...TG, are you wearing the tinfoil hat again? I'm far more likely to take what Bioware said to be truthful compared to some of the more ridiculous things I've heard from other publishers. Besides, it's not like they're claiming something utterly ridiculous just to sell the DLC...
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  • freykinfreykin Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Thanks for the link, I don't think they'd outright lie about it, as some people are in the comments for that. You just got them another purchase of the game, and now I don't feel bad about it either, a win win!

    Now to find money for this AND Tales of Graces. *Breaks out the pocketbook*
  • KiralynKiralyn Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    TG Barighm said:
    Many publishers have already said they feel we should be paying $80+ for games. They're kind of getting it by tacking on $20 or so worth of additional content to the games, aren't they?
    Another thought.... DLC is money they'll actually get from used sales, instead of all of it going to Gamestop. I'm sure that's another encouragement to do more DLC, rather than less.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited February 2012
    Kiralyn said:
    Another thought.... DLC is money they'll actually get from used sales, instead of all of it going to Gamestop. I'm sure that's another encouragement to do more DLC, rather than less.
    The only thing I want to know is who is the more vocal voice about this, the console gamers who can buy used games and get around the cost problem, or the PC gamers, who pretty much are screwed on it unless there's a sale on the game somewhere?
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  • Confessor RahlConfessor Rahl Member Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Looks sick. I'm excited to have a Prothean in the party myself.
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  • MaudrenMaudren i can post! thanx paws! Full Members
    edited February 2012
    Meanwhile, devs still complain about the used game market while pulling stunts like this.

    Anyhoo, this news sucks, but it doesn't really bother me that much. I bought mass effect 1 for 10 bucks on steam, and me2 for 20 bucks on steam. I'm not a huge fan of this series so I can wait for it to go cheap.

    The only bad part is, EA already stated me3 won't hit steam, so I'll have to wait for a cheap used copy on amazon a year or so from now.
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  • daveyddaveyd Turn-based lifeform Full Members
    edited February 2012
    DarkRPGMaster said:
    The only thing I want to know is who is the more vocal voice about this, the console gamers who can buy used games and get around the cost problem, or the PC gamers, who pretty much are screwed on it unless there's a sale on the game somewhere?
    Unless I'm missing something, PC gamers can still get used copies on Amazon, eBay, etc. (Perhaps not at Gamestop but I haven't bought anything there in years).
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