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Dragon's Crown Still Lives

MacstormMacstorm Ysy St.Administrators
edited April 2012 in Latest Updates
When you play the game of publishers, you get released or get cancelled. Thankfully, this crown seems to be changing hands with little bloodshed.

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Originally posted by Rebochan:
I just got an Atlus Faithful e-mail advertising Dragon's Crown for 2013.

Now, this was a bit odd since when it was announced, Ignition was handling said publishing and localizing duties. I clicked the link and saw the news.

So now I can stop worrying about the localization of that title. Also, I'm wondering if Ignition's past blunders have finally caught up to them. Oh, and by "past blunders", I don't mean crappy RPG localizations.
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  • Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs The Bemused Administrators
    edited April 2012
    Oh the irony of it all. But hey, at least the game is in better hands. :)
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  • ZbornakZbornak Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Maybe Devil Survivor 2's character designer can give Dragon's Crown's designer tips on how to draw realistic-looking women.
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  • lolwhoopslolwhoops Member HalifaxRPGamer Staff
    edited April 2012
    still don't know anything about this game but if it's atlus i'll give it a shot.
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  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited April 2012
    Dragon's Crown will now be good. Atlus has that ability...save for their Online division. -_-
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  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    And across the land all was praise as this once doomed game saw light and hope spread forth for it's release.
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  • DravDrav A Serious Man Full Members
    edited April 2012
    I wonder if people will be as willing to call shenanigans this time when it's everyone's favourite publisher and not Ignition.
  • flamethrowerflamethrower Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    ThroneofDravaris said:
    I wonder if people will be as willing to call shenanigans this time when it's everyone's favourite publisher and not Ignition.
    There's a perfectly good reason for this. People want the best localization possible, or maybe just a good localization. The Muramasa and Arc Rise Fantasia localizations fell short of that mark. Maybe it's shenanigans, but gamers care more about game quality than publisher profits. No one would have had a problem with the shenanigans if they didn't affect game quality.
  • SavorienSavorien Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Maybe now the game will actually get some marketing. This probably isn't the game, but I would love to see Vanillaware achieve a surprise success that explodes the company into large profitability. It seems like they have been struggling to keep their heads above the water for a long time. Still, I'm just glad to see this game getting a release. My Amazon preorder cancellation scared the crap out of me.
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  • AverageJoeAverageJoe Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    love me some atlus. interest renewed
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  • MacstormMacstorm Ysy St. Administrators
    edited April 2012
    flamethrower said:
    There's a perfectly good reason for this. People want the best localization possible, or maybe just a good localization. The Muramasa and Arc Rise Fantasia localizations fell short of that mark. Maybe it's shenanigans, but gamers care more about game quality than publisher profits. No one would have had a problem with the shenanigans if they didn't affect game quality.
    If you're referring to the difference between when Ignition took games from XSEED, this is a totally different scenario. With Arc Rise and Muramasa, XSEED announced they were localizing them and were actually localizing them when Ignition offered more money to the Japanese publisher leading to Marvelous selling the game out from under XSEED for more money.

    This time Ignition was helping actually develop this game and was acting as the sole publisher, but apparently somethings up with them because they were bought by Disney, haven't released anything in forever, and are no longer willing (or more likely able) to work with Vanillaware on Dragon's Crown. So Atlus is coming in to snatch up a game that was likely floundering, not taking a game someone else was actively working on with 100% intent to release.
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  • NimNim _ Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Ignition will probably be closed down, so it's great to see that this game won't be cancelled. Atlus also bought the Dragon's Crown Ip, so they'll probably help Vanillaware with production.
  • OyashiroOyashiro NEEDS MOAR UNDERBOOB! Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Wait! You mean I get to give Atlus more money?! SWEET! :D
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  • flamethrowerflamethrower Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    re: Macstorm

    I didn't really want to trust Ignition, even if they were putting in effort. I can't be the only person unable to forgive those sins. I had no idea they were trying harder on the Dragon's Crown localization than they had done previously.

    I was also kind of looking forward to a "PS3 is better than Vita" and vice versa flame war. C'mon guys! (EDIT: Maybe this multiplatform flame war thing only happens with Final Fantasy)
    The Vita version is better because it's cheaper.
    The PS3 version is better because the graphics are higher resolution.

    Does either version have any gimmicky controls (move, touch, etc...)?
  • MacstormMacstorm Ysy St. Administrators
    edited April 2012
    flamethrower said:
    I didn't really want to trust Ignition, even if they were putting in effort. I can't be the only person unable to forgive those sins. I had no idea they were trying harder on the Dragon's Crown localization than they had done previously.
    I don't know if it's a matter of them trying harder, but they were likely throwing more money at it. It seems like they were behind the game's creation from the start instead of jumping in after development just to try to localize it.
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  • RebochanRebochan Who needs Rinoa anyway? Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Frankly, I'm really not surprised. Ignition as a corporate entity has done nothing to get goodwill from its terrible localizations, and its original IP ventures have just bled money with nothing to show for it. I think they hoped this could turn their company around, but I think the reaper is at Ignition's door if they can't somehow get Reich out and save the studio.
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  • King Jowy XXIIKing Jowy XXII Regnus Obscura Full Members
    edited April 2012
    At the risk of coming off as whiny...

    ...2013?! Awww maaaaaan :s
  • MaudrenMaudren i can post! thanx paws! Full Members
    edited April 2012
    I'm only calling shenanigans on the new pricing. I'm glad the game is coming out at all now, but really? It wasn't profitable at 29.99? So, now it's 49.99. Only 10 dollars cheaper than say, Skyrim and Mass Effect 3 and God of War 3 and Uncharted 1, 2 and 3.

    Judging from their budget to price ratio, the games I listed must have been huge busts for their respective developers/publishers.

    Or is Atlus saying the budget of Dragon Crown is in the area of those other games?

    Someone correct my snark if I'm wrong, I usually am. I'm used to it, but count me in on team whiny.

    Edit: come to think of it, they may be factoring in the cost of actually purchasing the rights to the game.
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  • NimNim _ Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Think of it this way: If Atlus hadn't bought the rights, the most likely outcome would be that Dragon's Crown would have been cancelled. Only because the game is 2D and and doesn't have the same budget as Skyrim doesn't mean the game can't be sold for $49.99 ($39.99 for Vita).
  • KingHadesKingHades New Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    I don't care who's publishing it. The sooner I get to watch my ridiculously top-heavy sorceress striding across the screen, the better!
  • MasterChiefMasterChief I didn't learn anything! Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Nim said:
    Think of it this way: If Atlus hadn't bought the rights, the most likely outcome would be that Dragon's Crown would have been cancelled. Only because the game is 2D and and doesn't have the same budget as Skyrim doesn't mean the game can't be sold for $49.99 ($39.99 for Vita).
    Pretty much. Atlus has to throw money at getting the game, and they probably have to correct the ship that Ignition nearly sunk, so no surprises here.

    And while I'm at it, I'm not entirely sure why 2D games suddenly have to be cheaper. I gladly paid $39.99 for Rayman Origins on the Vita because it's that awesome. I'm sure Dragon's Crown will be another fabulous cartridge in my Vita lineup.
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  • MacstormMacstorm Ysy St. Administrators
    edited April 2012
    MasterChief said:
    And while I'm at it, I'm not entirely sure why 2D games suddenly have to be cheaper. I gladly paid $39.99 for Rayman Origins on the Vita because it's that awesome.
    I'm with you there. For some reason there's a mindset that 2D is lesser than 3D and not worth as much. The industry mindset that "3D will not sell as well as 2D" might have some data behind it, but I can't believe there is solid evidence to support this fact. I'd love to see more beautiful 2D games. Imagine something like FFXV going back to a 2D style, but in full HD. Would be glorious to me.
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  • SavorienSavorien Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Macstorm said:
    I'm with you there. For some reason there's a mindset that 2D is lesser than 3D and not worth as much. The industry mindset that "3D will not sell as well as 2D" might have some data behind it, but I can't believe there is solid evidence to support this fact. I'd love to see more beautiful 2D games. Imagine something like FFXV going back to a 2D style, but in full HD. Would be glorious to me.
    I agree. 2D doesn't get enough love. There is something about 2D art and animation that grabs me way more than 3D renders.
    Vanillaware’s 2D is, once again, shaming their competitor’s 3D. It’s like, what are you even doing with your extra D, jerks? Maybe we should hold that extra D in reserve for you, like a trust, until you are ready. - Tycho, Penny Arcade
  • Berserk_AlucardBerserk_Alucard Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Definitely. I wish there were more game developers that made 2D games. I'd imagine they are seen as a bit of a risk financially today though. Odin Sphere and Muramasa were really memorable games, Odin Sphere slightly more so. A 2D RPG with HD sprites should be really awesome, hopefully Dragon's Crown fits the bill.
  • RebochanRebochan Who needs Rinoa anyway? Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Most 2D games have gone indie now. Which isn't entirely bad (because that's given us such gems as Super Meat Boy), but it does mean a lot less exposure for them.
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  • flamethrowerflamethrower Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Yes, Indie. Meaning mostly PC and a little Xbox Live Independent Games. Unfortunately, Sony and Nintendo don't have independent development programs. Maybe it has something to do with being an American company, but I don't really know.
  • MasterChiefMasterChief I didn't learn anything! Full Members
    edited April 2012
    flamethrower said:
    Yes, Indie. Meaning mostly PC and a little Xbox Live Independent Games. Unfortunately, Sony and Nintendo don't have independent development programs. Maybe it has something to do with being an American company, but I don't really know.
    Problem is that the signal to noise ratio is even higher on indie. We get a lot more Wests than Super Meat Boys.
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  • PawsPaws Purr RPGamer Staff
    edited April 2012
    Sony sort of does (PSP Mini). Nintendo's draconian rules prevent any growth in small development on their consoles.
  • reionprementereionpremente Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    Savorien said:
    I agree. 2D doesn't get enough love. There is something about 2D art and animation that grabs me way more than 3D renders.
    I agree. Most of the 2D games are actually outselling the so-called 3D titles even nowadays because they're better in almost every way. Graphically, control-wise... they're just all-around better. Most of the 2D fighting games STILL come out BETTER than the 3D ones and even most of the 2D RPG's outrank even the best of the 3D ones. FFVI is STILL one of the most highly regarded RPG's of ALL TIME and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Although Dragon's Crown... I don't know. Those top-heavy sorceresses look pretty dumb. Just saying. This looks like something out of a Frank Paretti calendar come to life... the men even look mal-deformed. What is going on here?
  • buffalo0obuffalo0o New Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    There's not necessarily something wrong with having a totally outrageous style. I kind of enjoy it (for what it is: again, totally outrageous). That's all that's going on here, to me.
  • SavorienSavorien Member Full Members
    edited April 2012
    It's the Vanillaware style. Just look at any of their other titles. It is outrageous, and I love it. It's ok if you don't love it. It's ok to not love things and it's also ok to allow other people to love things that you don't love.
    Vanillaware’s 2D is, once again, shaming their competitor’s 3D. It’s like, what are you even doing with your extra D, jerks? Maybe we should hold that extra D in reserve for you, like a trust, until you are ready. - Tycho, Penny Arcade
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