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Shadow Hearts - Staff Retroview

JuMeSynJuMeSyn Code: KirinAdministrators
edited December 2012 in Latest Updates
Come on a trip through time to learn of Shanghai's secret destruction, Transylvania's vampire infestation, the ability to summon a biplane into orbit and how rotten staying in English mental asylums was. One or more of these things may not actually be true.
So Prague has about ten people in it? Huh.
It's not what he's eating, but what's eating him that makes it ... sort of interesting.

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  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited December 2012
    Definitely sounds right to me. While I like the game, I can spot the faults far too easily, and it's kinda hard to come back to this after playing Covenant, which may be the high point of the series.
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  • Rya_ReisenderRya_Reisender Solipsist Snowflake Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I really liked the humour in Shadow Heart 1&2. I'd have given it a higher score. Especially visuals are better than 2/5 in my opinion.
  • SpaceLionSpaceLion Formerly kuhfuss5 Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I'd agree with this review in general. I have a lot of fond memories of this series and especially the relationship between Yuri & Alice. Yuri was probably one of my favorite characters of the PS2 era. But I definitely remember some of the irritations listed in the review and I wonder how much Covenant effects how I view SH1.
  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited December 2012
    That post reminds me...JuMe, which ending did you get, the bad, or the good?
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  • RazaRaza Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Bah. Disagree on a few of the "faults".

    And I definitely disagree with it not being a must-play. One of my favorite series (probably in top 10 fav. games too) and I'm still hoping for a comeback someday, even in handheld form if need be.
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  • CidolfasCidolfas Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I agree with it. The first game in the series was extremely underwhelming. The sequel was much improved.
  • LOLOttertardLOLOttertard Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Fair review, though I'd definitely rate the soundtrack higher since I found it to be the best of the franchise.
  • SlayerSlayer Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Nice review.
    I'm sorry I didn't play this one.
    However, I did play the 2 games that followed.
  • retrodragonretrodragon Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Covenant is my all time favorite RPG, but I agree that the original Shadow Hearts had some flaws. And why would you release around a FF game? Seriously? I think the story is much better than you gave it credit for though. While the overall plot had holes, I enjoyed the character development that happens as Yuri deals with his past, as well as grows in his relationship with Alice. Also, while the settings were smaller than real life, I loved that they took you to actual locations, which gave the story a fun "what if" feel. Obviously this is also something Covenant did even better. I would give this a 3.5 or 4 personally, but I am pretty biased:)

    Oh and what I loved about this game is that the "bad" ending is actually the true ending. We need more rpg's with the somber feel that the Shadow Hearts series provided. (and then ruined with the third installation...)
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  • VncentValntineVncentValntine Pretty much... Full Members
    edited December 2012
    retrodragon said:
    Covenant is my all time favorite RPG, but I agree that the original Shadow Hearts had some flaws. And why would you release around a FF game? Seriously? I think the story is much better than you gave it credit for though. While the overall plot had holes, I enjoyed the character development that happens as Yuri deals with his past, as well as grows in his relationship with Alice. Also, while the settings were smaller than real life, I loved that they took you to actual locations, which gave the story a fun "what if" feel. Obviously this is also something Covenant did even better. I would give this a 3.5 or 4 personally, but I am pretty biased:)

    Oh and what I loved about this game is that the "bad" ending is actually the true ending. We need more rpg's with the somber feel that the Shadow Hearts series provided. (and then ruined with the third installation...)
    I made the mistake of getting the good ending first and then playing for the bad/true ending. Goddamn that tore me up... And then, after replaying SHII, that one scene with Alice hit me even harder. Goddamn, that was such a good love story.
  • LordKaiserLordKaiser Gaming Freedom Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I loved this game but sadly they din't sold well... This game was released too close to FFX release date.
    Never buy a game published by D3 Publisher that is not WKCII. They cheated on their fans by releasing a game that they didn't support not even for a year and they released a rushed translation.
  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I didn't even know it was an RPG till years later <.<
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  • watcherwatcher Veteran RPGamer Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Rya.Reisender said:
    I really liked the humour in Shadow Heart 1&2. I'd have given it a higher score. Especially visuals are better than 2/5 in my opinion.
    Maybe you haven't looked at it compared to a recent release. I played it for the first time when there was a bit of a slow down in releases earlier this year. I assure you, it didn't age well compared to other games of the era that I pulled out of my backlog.

    I'd say the review is a fair assessment of the game.
  • Rya_ReisenderRya_Reisender Solipsist Snowflake Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Hmm, I see so you just rate graphics not related to their console but compared to modern games? Because for a PS2 title, it has at least average good graphics. And all games that are 3D and try to be somewhat realistic looking don't really age well.

    I also don't really remember the second part being significantly better than the first. I liked both. I didn't like the third part as much, though.
  • TheAnimeManTheAnimeMan Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Rya there are other games from PS2 era that have aged well. Lets take Shadow Hearts Covenant. It looks better then the first game graphically and still looks good. There are games that even graphically still look good. FFVI is a GREAT example though it was SNES it's graphics still stand the test of time. However FFIV my god with the HD versions out there are monster I could never realize what they actually looked like compared to the HD versions better defined (lamia being one of them). There are indeed games that graphically that do stand time better then others.

    And that can be an important part when reviewing a game because new people not in the know don't care how it looked compared to other games out at the same time it was. New players would want to know how it compares to games out NOW!
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  • CidolfasCidolfas Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Even for the time it didn't look good. It went the "prerendered backgrounds, 3D characters" route on a PS2 game.
  • retrodragonretrodragon Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Yeah the graphical update that Covenant received was a major part of making it such a great game. I would say Covenant was more on par with other ps2 titles of the mid 2000's. When you compare the original Shadow Hearts with something like FFX it's actually a little embarrassing...I think its still playable though. Nothing like trying to play say FFVII nowadays lol
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  • LOLOttertardLOLOttertard Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Cidolfas said:
    lol prerendered grafix suk amirite?
    I actually prefer Shadow Hearts graphics to some of the ugly 3-D scenery sported in some 3-D RPGs of the era. I've played a PS3 RPG that has prerendered environments (Ar tonelico III), and I think they looked good.
  • CidolfasCidolfas Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    It also depends on the quality of the environments, of course. SH1's were rather drab in and of themselves.
  • watcherwatcher Veteran RPGamer Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Rya, note that I actually compared it to games both modern and of its era. There's no reason a retroview shouldn't compare it in part to modern standards, especially since a poor visuals score has no impact on the overall score here. There are also many games with art styles or graphics style selections that simply aged better. Let's face it, the early 3D modeling/polygon era was a bad time for visuals.
  • LordKaiserLordKaiser Gaming Freedom Full Members
    edited December 2012
    Shadow Hearts 1 was strong in the story. The story and Yuri's character was what kept the game going and the strongest reason to play it. I agree with most of the reviewer score but I would had given the story 1 more point at least.
    Never buy a game published by D3 Publisher that is not WKCII. They cheated on their fans by releasing a game that they didn't support not even for a year and they released a rushed translation.
  • JitawaJitawa Member Full Members
    edited December 2012
    I concur with the score. It was hard to play SH1 AFTER Covenant, though I did so.
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