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Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster - 12 Screens - 3 Art

OcelotOcelot is not declawedRPGamer Staff
edited May 2013 in Latest Updates
The fantasy RPG world's answer to the Spice Girls is back, and they're looking super-shiny in high definition. Get ready to rock Spira's troubles away once more in this remake of Final Fantasy X-2.

For those who are catching up, the International content has been confirmed for both X and X-2 in North America. No, they're not re-doing Tidus' voice acting. Sorry!

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  • RyumoauRyumoau Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    God, the screenshots look great. I wasn't expecting the HD remasters to look this great. Square actually put effort into it instead of just upscaling and slapping trophies on it like other 'HD' collections i've seen.

    I just hope i have the patience to deal with those annoyingly boring glyph dungeons again. Easily the worst part of the game from what i remember.
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  • ACPACP A Crustacean in a Pot Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Okay, I'd buy that. X is one of my favorite FFs, so why not take a shinier walk down memory lane?
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  • smacdsmacd Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I guess I'd have to see side-by-sides. I'm not really seeing a difference just looking at the HD screenshots to what I remember it looking like.
  • lolwhoopslolwhoops Member HalifaxFull Members
    edited May 2013
    If the two games were sold together and were on both PS3 and Vita, I could see me getting them even if not playing them for a while. X is one of my favourites and though X-2 was really different, I enjoyed the fast paced battles and the job system. Plus Rikku is still one of my favourite characters, so I liked her having a bigger role in it.
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  • RocksyRocksy New Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Lol, the Spice Girls. Sorry for being negative but I hate this ****ing game. Instead of using their magnanimous quantity of money in GOOD games, they will remake the worst FF in history. Shame on you Square-Enix. But oh, well...
  • smacdsmacd Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Rocksy said:
    Instead of using their magnanimous quantity of money in GOOD games, they will remake the worst FF in history
    Wait, when did they announce the FF7 remake?

    I kid, I kid. Though it is hard for me to find an FF game I detest more than 7, and I've played almost all of them.
  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited May 2013
    Rocksy said:
    Lol, the Spice Girls. Sorry for being negative but I hate this ****ing game. Instead of using their magnanimous quantity of money in GOOD games, they will remake the worst FF in history. Shame on you Square-Enix. But oh, well...
    I liked X-2 more than X. #unpopulargamingopinions

    Also, Square Enix is bleeding money like a sieve right now.

    As for side-by-side comparisons, let's see:

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  • smacdsmacd Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Yeah, ok I can definitely see it now. You're right about it looking better than it actually was, in memory. And I only played X-2 last summer for the first time. Thanks for posting the side by side.
  • Agent RiotAgent Riot New Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I hope that this wow effect not only applies to the character models, but that the backgrounds and overall visual design gets the same treatment from Square Enix.
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  • sirsniffysirsniffy Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I would have liked FFX-2 more if there were more playable characters, namely some non-annoying male characters. I absolutely hated Paine and Rikku!

    Incidentally, FFX-2 is where Final Fantasy officially 'Jumped the Shark' for me.
  • Agent RiotAgent Riot New Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Im guessing that the Final Fantasy X-2 Last Mission "expansion# wich previously was Japan only, gets released with this HD Version. Wich fixes your complaints for the duration of the hours long dungeon crawling.
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  • TaikaTaika Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Did they upgrade the actual assets somehow, or just use the same polishing techniques as emulation? (Here's what that looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dVHWnAC49c) They look comparable to me, although the lighting is very different. Are the FMVs being redone in any way?

    Replaying my game collection on this way, even without rebuying them, it's stunning how much better the in-game graphics look when tripling the resolution and adding anti-aliasing. Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria is especially jaw-dropping. It looks as good as the preview pictures for the game did... it's still one of the most detailed and gorgeous games ever, even today! Unfortunately my PC isn't up to running it smoothly.
  • ironmageironmage chaotic neutral observer SaskatoonFull Members
    edited May 2013
    This game presents a problem. FFX is one of my favorite FFs, and normally, a remake of it would be a purchase by default. And it does look really good.

    But FFX-2 is easily my most disliked FF. I'm seriously considering boycotting the remake entirely just because I would hate for my purchase to be misconstrued as partial endorsement of X-2.

    The real killer here, is that I'm probably going to buy this anyway, and even play FFX-2 again, just to see if they fixed it.

    Well, maybe we'll get a Japanese language option, this time around. ....please?
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  • TaikaTaika Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    ironmage said:
    Well, maybe we'll get a Japanese language option, this time around. ....please?
    Yes! That would dramatically increase my interest as well. All games need this option.
  • ShayminShaymin The Gratitude Pokemon Full Members
    edited May 2013
    They had me at International.
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  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited May 2013
    ironmage said:
    Well, maybe we'll get a Japanese language option, this time around. ....please?
    Since they would have to also repay the Japanese VAs for the US release (which would sell far more than the JP version), they most likely will not in order to actually avoid going broke on this.
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  • retrodragonretrodragon Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I am actually one of those weird people who really loves FFX-2. The battle system is great, the game is goofy but paced really well, and I like the music. But then again FFX is probably my favorite of the series. Loving pretty much everything I'm seeing about these remakes.
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  • Sam = WiseSam = Wise Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    retrodragon said:
    I am actually one of those weird people who really loves FFX-2. The battle system is great, the game is goofy but paced really well, and I like the music. But then again FFX is probably my favorite of the series. Loving pretty much everything I'm seeing about these remakes.
    I really enjoyed X-2 as well, I don't see anything weird about it ^^ Some people just don't like the themes and design choices they made in the game, but if you DO like those this game is pure gold. I love j+kpop and generally appreciate it when a game doesn't take itself deathly seriously, so I really enjoyed X-2 and look forward to playing it in this wondrous HD.
  • ironmageironmage chaotic neutral observer SaskatoonFull Members
    edited May 2013
    My problems with FFX-2 are less about style, and more about execution. (I'm fine with J-pop, and have no problem with light-hearted storylines).

    To be clear, I don't begrudge anyone who likes FFX-2. If you enjoyed it, I am bewildered, yet slightly envious.


    Rant follows.


    The entire production felt like a bad fan game, and it was apparent that S/E didn't put the resources into it that an FF game deserves. There were two classes of dungeons: most areas were copied directly from FFX, and the few new areas were generally of markedly poorer quality. The battle system was a mess, and actually locked up my PS2 on one or two occasions. Being limited to three characters was a major step back from FFX (especially since swapping characters on the fly was one of FFX's strong points).

    I don't remember the story at all, just that it was largely a sequence of disconnected episodes.

    Lulu was supposedly
    Spoiler:
    pregnant
    , but there wasn't even a minor tweaking of her character model to reflect this. I mean, seriously, was there nothing in the budget for a few extra polygons? And
    Spoiler:
    pregnant
    by
    Spoiler:
    Wakka
    ? That doesn't fit with the characterization from FFX. That segment was entirely spurious.

    One of my personal trigger points is reworking a female character to "broaden her appeal". I wasn't happy with the change Shion underwent from Xenosaga I to II, but it wasn't entirely outside the range of possibility (so, she switched to civilian clothes, lost some of her geekiness, and didn't really need glasses anyway...) I suppose Rikku's changes from X to X-2 were within the scope of her character. But Yuna's transformation was pure fanservice. Certainly surviving the end of FFX would brighten her mood (by a lot), and we would expect her personality to shift a bit. But her new design was ridiculous, and worse, completely out of character with the original. White mage to gunner isn't a natural transition. White magic is almost purely defensive (undead notwithstanding), and guns are almost purely offensive (you can't block a sword with a bullet). If you're going to change a character to that extent, you really need to do a better job of justifying it.

    Okay, I guess my problems with the game are about its style, too.
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  • TaikaTaika Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I agree with ironmage on the Yuna (and Shion) transformations. In X-2's case, they completely destroyed my suspension of disbelief... Yuna seemed like a grounded and serious person in the first game... her entire character went out the window and was replaced by a flighty & showy individual who bore little resemblance to her former self. She was the most notable case, but there was a lot that was just jarring and took me right out of it. I'm a big Jpop fan but that didn't really save the character believability. And while I appreciate fan-service as much as the next guy, it seemed contradictory to the character and unnecessary. (In Xenosaga's case, made me uncomfortable promoting the game with friends. Which is a darn shame because it's one of my favorite series and really needed some extra sales. lol.)
  • Confessor RahlConfessor Rahl Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    It is INSANE how good those shots are. I adore FFX, and am ambivalent about X-2, so this is a definite pick up for me. I can't wait!
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  • DarkRPGMasterDarkRPGMaster A Witness to Destruction Moderators
    edited May 2013
    Taika said:
    I agree with ironmage on the Yuna (and Shion) transformations. In X-2's case, they completely destroyed my suspension of disbelief... Yuna seemed like a grounded and serious person in the first game... her entire character went out the window and was replaced by a flighty & showy individual who bore little resemblance to her former self. She was the most notable case, but there was a lot that was just jarring and took me right out of it. I'm a big Jpop fan but that didn't really save the character believability. And while I appreciate fan-service as much as the next guy, it seemed contradictory to the character and unnecessary. (In Xenosaga's case, made me uncomfortable promoting the game with friends. Which is a darn shame because it's one of my favorite series and really needed some extra sales. lol.)
    I was able to believe her change between FFX and FFX-2, but that's because in the timeline it had already been 2 years since FFX. That's a lot of time for a person to change in, despite what people think, so it doesn't surprise me that her personality shifted...especially considering how in the entirety of FFX, it was pretty obvious by endgame that there were so many times she wanted to break down crying and run away.
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  • SiliconNooBSiliconNooB Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    ironmage said:


    And
    Spoiler:
    pregnant
    by
    Spoiler:
    Wakka
    ? That doesn't fit with the characterization from FFX. That segment was entirely spurious.

    That's not actually true. It's heavily suggested in the FFX narrative that the tension which exists between Wakka and Lulu is because of some sort of latent mutual attraction, which is misdirected and channeled negatively by Lulu on account of her not wanting to break her fidelity to Chappu. That's why Lulu is continually comparing Wakka unfavourably to his brother.
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  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited May 2013
    If anybody is going to experience a major personality shift, it's a young woman in Yuna's position. Imagine being raised your entire life to bear a major burden like Yuna was, only to learn a lot of really nasty truths and lies behind your quest before finally freaking saving the entire world. All of this when you're just 17 years old.

    Ever seen a young person who had extremely strict parents, had to get straight A's, and was never allowed to date or go to parties or anything like that in high school? I'm not talking about a kid who rebelled against these rules, but one who actually lived up to those parents' expectations. Ever seen what happens when that young person goes to college? It's not unlike Yuna's transformation in X-2. Except probably with less J-Pop, at least here in the Americas. ;)
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  • ironmageironmage chaotic neutral observer SaskatoonFull Members
    edited May 2013
    DarkRPGMaster said:
    I was able to believe her change between FFX and FFX-2, but that's because in the timeline it had already been 2 years since FFX. That's a lot of time for a person to change in, despite what people think, so it doesn't surprise me that her personality shifted...especially considering how in the entirety of FFX, it was pretty obvious by endgame that there were so many times she wanted to break down crying and run away.
    I'll agree than two years can be enough time for a person to change, but we didn't see the change happening, and I didn't see a clear reason for this particular change (as opposed to Yuna taking up spear-fishing, or charity work, or stand-up comedy). In "audience time" the change may as well have been instantaneous. When altering a character significantly, it is very important to establish a thread between the two versions (especially if they're drastically different). If practically everything about the character changes, why should I believe they're the same person? What makes Yuna Yuna?

    Even providing a couple of bridge scenes as a lead in (Yuna being trained in gunplay, or trying out a new wardrobe) might have helped.

    Rather than trying to come up with an in-game explanation, I think it makes more sense to attribute the whole situation to bad writing.

    Tales of the Abyss was an example of how to do a character transformation right. Luke fon Fabre experienced a major shock, we could observe the crisis progressing, and even then, he didn't change unconditionally (he regressed a bit on a couple occasions). Luke's transformation wouldn't have been believable off-screen. And, critically, the party members who didn't witness Luke's crisis firsthand didn't believe that he had changed; he had to prove it to them first.
    SiliconNooB said:
    That's not actually true. It's heavily suggested in the FFX narrative that the tension which exists between Wakka and Lulu is because of some sort of latent mutual attraction, which is misdirected and channeled negatively by Lulu on account of her not wanting to break her fidelity to Chappu. That's why Lulu is continually comparing Wakka unfavourably to his brother.
    Interesting. I guess I just didn't remember the tension in Lulu and Wakka's relationship in FFX as having a romantic aspect. If I had, my reaction would have been completely different.
    Ocelot said:

    Ever seen a young person who had extremely strict parents, had to get straight A's, and was never allowed to date or go to parties or anything like that in high school? I'm not talking about a kid who rebelled against these rules, but one who actually lived up to those parents' expectations. Ever seen what happens when that young person goes to college? It's not unlike Yuna's transformation in X-2. Except probably with less J-Pop, at least here in the Americas. ;)
    I haven't seen that happen, so I guess that's partly where my problem comes from. Even if Yuna's transformation made perfect sense, it happened off screen. Showing Yuna's crisis and subsequent transformation into a pop-idol might not have been a bad storyline, actually....
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  • CidolfasCidolfas Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Anyone who thinks Yuna was nothing but serious and grounded in FFX didn't pay enough attention. There are plenty of clues that her natural personality is indeed rather perky and mischievous; comments made by Auron, the way she jokes around with her friends, her almost immediate flirting with Tidus... Once we have the full story, it's pretty obvious that her seriousness is mainly due to her overwhelming sense of duty to her people (which is in full swing in the later parts of FFX-2, by the way), her feeling that she has to live in her father's shadow, and (most crucially) the knowledge overshadowing her that she's on a journey that will inevitably end in her death. That puts a damper on things, to understate it. Once those things are removed, she rubber-bands a bit the other way.
  • AngelonightAngelonight Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    I, personally, am very excited about this. I, personally, feel SE is being very good to us even considering how much they have been jerking us about lately as well as the blatant slaps to the face.
    FFX is one of my top 3 favorite FF, and I thought that FFX-2 was fun and refreshing, I can appreciate a game that doesn't take its self to seriously. Not to mention FFX:HD is the international release, when was the last time SE gave us lowly Americans an International release? Here is a hint, Never. That is why I am excited about it, and can't wait for it. Does any one know if FFX-2 will be the international release?
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  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited May 2013
    Yes, X-2 will also be the international release.
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  • ironmageironmage chaotic neutral observer SaskatoonFull Members
    edited May 2013
    Cidolfas said:
    Anyone who thinks Yuna was nothing but serious and grounded in FFX didn't pay enough attention. There are plenty of clues that her natural personality is indeed rather perky and mischievous; comments made by Auron, the way she jokes around with her friends, her almost immediate flirting with Tidus... Once we have the full story, it's pretty obvious that her seriousness is mainly due to her overwhelming sense of duty to her people (which is in full swing in the later parts of FFX-2, by the way), her feeling that she has to live in her father's shadow, and (most crucially) the knowledge overshadowing her that she's on a journey that will inevitably end in her death. That puts a damper on things, to understate it. Once those things are removed, she rubber-bands a bit the other way.
    I don't think that anyone has claimed that Yuna had a perfectly serious personality in FFX. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc

    But, if Yuna wasn't basically a serious person, would she have felt any sense of duty? Anyway, this is starting to wander into the territory of "which Yuna is the real Yuna", which isn't an argument I can win.

    For me, this is the real Yuna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWC6vUext0


    And gripes notwithstanding, I'm likely to buy this anyway.
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  • AngelonightAngelonight Member Full Members
    edited May 2013
    Ocelot said:
    Yes, X-2 will also be the international release.
    Thank you Ocelot
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