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RPGCast - Episode 318: "Poor Translations"

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edited September 2014 in Latest Updates
RPGCast - Episode 318: "Poor Translations"

A winner is you! You won't feel asleep as you listen to this week's show. As we prep for PAX, Alex tells us about Sword Art Online. Anna pushes some Squids around. Cassandra clocks some Devils. Chris...well...Chris just plays more WoW. For great justice!

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  • AzilisAzilis Member Full Members
    edited August 2014
    Pushmo is actually called Pullblox in Europe, so it was funny to hear Anna comment that it should have been called Pullmo.

    Godus had me interested initially, but it just doesn't look compelling enough, even on the PC where (last I heard) there are no micro-transactions. I know that in its early access form, in order to shape the land, you had to repeatedly click the mouse for each increment the land moved, which resulted in more clicking than Diablo 2 by several orders of magnitude. It seemed like a good game in concept, but as far as I can tell, the execution was poor.

    And Cassandra talking about Devil Survivor Overclocked prompted me to buy it from the eShop. I never finished the original version due to some issues I ran into with missing certain events required for the story path I wanted to go with. I also ran into a boss I just couldn't beat with the team I had, and I think there was only one map available to grind for xp at the time, so I put the game down for a while and never got back to it. I liked the game enough to give it another playthrough on the the 3DS, though . . . SMT games always hook me with their battle systems. I think I'll wait on Devil Survivor 2 until I'm convinced the 3DS remake won't be localized.
  • Strawberry EggsStrawberry Eggs Hands off the parfait! Administrators
    edited August 2014
    Yeah, the requirements for some of the story paths In Devil Survivor can be rather strict. I stumbled upon the Atsuro Path largely by accident in my first playthrough, but I didn't realize how many different events had to be triggered for it.
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  • VictarVictar Member Full Members
    edited August 2014
    Blizzard recently released a short story titled "Hellscream" that answers your questions in the podcast. It's on their official website at

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/savage-world/hellscream/page-1

    and takes about 5-10 minutes to read.

    The story is about Garrosh's confrontation with alt-Grom, and explains how Garrosh persuaded alt-Grom not to drink Mannoroth's blood.

    One thing the story makes crystal clear is that alt-Grom's timeline is and has always been a completely different, parallel world. In this parallel world, alt-Grom never had a son named Garrosh, or any children at all.
  • LegendaryZoltanLegendaryZoltan Releaser of Heavy Metal Full Members
    edited August 2014
    Fun show! I miss Phil. I think he might be my new favorite supporting character.
  • JCServantJCServant Certified Polygameist RPGamer Staff
    edited August 2014
    Fun show! I miss Phil. I think he might be my new favorite supporting character.
    ROFL! Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'd love to be on more often. Unfortunately, it starts Saturday late morning (MST), and according to my wife, that's prime time shopping time! :) But, whenever the the shopping gods give me a weekend off, or at least delay our weekly outing, I will definitely jump on!
  • MasterChiefMasterChief I didn't learn anything! Full Members
    edited September 2014
    Sorry, Paws, but I think the recent controversy surrounding Zoe Quinn has some merit. The allegation of sleeping with journalists for favorable coverage is a huge one, as is the social justice warrior method of shouting down any dissenter as some sort of sexist monster. The evidence, especially around the false hacking incidents involving her and Phil Fish, are a real issue, and they need to be spoken about, because it strikes at the core of games reporting, particularly involving the dissolution of any separation between indie devs and journalists. People need to talk about this, and whether we can trust the gaming media anymore, because it's looking more and more like we can't.
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  • LordKaiserLordKaiser Gaming Freedom Full Members
    edited September 2014
    Sorry, Paws, but I think the recent controversy surrounding Zoe Quinn has some merit. The allegation of sleeping with journalists for favorable coverage is a huge one, as is the social justice warrior method of shouting down any dissenter as some sort of sexist monster. The evidence, especially around the false hacking incidents involving her and Phil Fish, are a real issue, and they need to be spoken about, because it strikes at the core of games reporting, particularly involving the dissolution of any separation between indie devs and journalists. People need to talk about this, and whether we can trust the gaming media anymore, because it's looking more and more like we can't.
    It has been covered on numerous websites and it brings heated debate that turns quickly into arguments that close threads. I will try to be neutral and say that if this is true websites that are believed to be involved in this practice of casting couching will lose their credibility and many websites that use click bait or that form arguments and insult devs because of their art choice of showing boobs had already their popularity fading and then they get scandals like this. If it's not true then it's just people angry at the whole SJW thing for trying to get their games censored or changed in some way. But the group that is against this is overreacting a lot and they lack self control and that's a bad trait. Many times they just go too far and take things very far. TBH I want activism out of the video game industry, games don't need to represent anyone from the real world and people who appear in the game are fiction so they are OBJECTS so i cringe when someone complains that they are objectified.
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  • OcelotOcelot is not declawed RPGamer Staff
    edited September 2014
    Sorry, Paws, but I think the recent controversy surrounding Zoe Quinn has some merit. The allegation of sleeping with journalists for favorable coverage is a huge one, as is the social justice warrior method of shouting down any dissenter as some sort of sexist monster. The evidence, especially around the false hacking incidents involving her and Phil Fish, are a real issue, and they need to be spoken about, because it strikes at the core of games reporting, particularly involving the dissolution of any separation between indie devs and journalists. People need to talk about this, and whether we can trust the gaming media anymore, because it's looking more and more like we can't.

    There are a lot of assumptions going around that because a few people do wrong/stupid things, that means everybody is doing so. As a general rule, integrity in games reporting is probably the best it's been since the early independent PC gaming mags. Most outlets are independently owned instead of being owned by the companies that make the consoles/games. Most major sites have explicit conflict of interest policies. There are fewer crazy "review events" in which journalists are spoon fed a game for review by companies, and there are enough independent voices out there that you can find reviewers that you like and trust if you look.

    Of course there are issues. By-click ad support is an untenable way to run sites that are able to pay people to do serious, in-depth pieces, and investigative journalism is not only expensive, it's near-impossible in any form of media that solely covers products made by corporations. There's not enough diversity in reviewers, too many of whom are around the same age/gender and have similar tastes, so certain kinds of games are given more prestige than others. I consider this more of a sociological problem than an integrity problem. The big gaming corps sometimes play "review copy football," refusing to give sites review copies if they score x game too low, but most sites score how they want to score anyway. I'm seeing a lot of companies try to squeeze sales out of not-so-great games by playing press embargo games, too.

    None of this has anything to do with the occasional person who writes about games and is too close to his/her subject matter. I honestly believe that's an individual issue and not a widespread thing, and of course it's a bigger issue with indies because it's easier for a game writer to be friends with/close to a one- or two-person development team that doesn't necessarily have a lot of familiarity with professional ethics. The thing is, a single writer is a tiny blip on the radar screen when it comes to game reviews. No single writer who loooooves an indie game (conflict of interest or not) is going to be able to cover it up if that game has major quality issues and is panned by a ton of other writers. Yes, conflicts of interest should be acted upon by media outlets if/when they are discovered, but we also have to remember that this is the Internet, and it's awfully easy to make false claims about people.

    Think about it this way... what would you do if an angry ex started flinging it around on the Internet that you'd gotten where you are at work by sleeping with the boss? There's no way to verify that kind of thing, but if you'd also done some unrelated stupid stuff at work and/or weren't popular because you didn't fit into office culture, those rumors could end up sticking. And when you're a woman in a male-dominated field, the old "sleeping around for advancement" is a big accusation people make in order to try to take you down. Because of all of this, there is no reason whatsoever for us to be discussing/dissecting/blaming Ms. Quinn for something some random ex-boyfriend said about her. We've seen this kind of character defamation a million times against women, especially those who are unpopular for perhaps saying or doing jerkish things. You can think whatever you think about the lady for things she's demonstrably done, but to participate in the public defamation of a person based on rumour and innuendo is downright immoral.
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  • PawsPaws Purr RPGamer Staff
    edited September 2014
    Ocelot summarizes it well, though I'll add on a personal point: the only people who should be judging who is having sex with whom is that person's sexual partners.

    Should a conversation about journalistic integrity be had? Yes, of course; it should be an ongoing dialogue. Should THIS be the catalyst? No. Did some positive changes come out of this? Yes. Did the good outweigh the bad? Not that I'm seeing, but YMMV. I could go into a whole discussion on it, but it's all been said (and by people more eloquent than me).
  • WheelsWheels RPGamer Staff RPGamer Staff
    edited September 2014
    and whether we can trust the gaming media anymore, because it's looking more and more like we can't.

    You don't trust your friendly neighborhood RPGamer.com? :(
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  • smacdsmacd Full Members
    edited September 2014
    Paws wrote: »
    Ocelot summarizes it well, though I'll add on a personal point: the only people who should be judging who is having sex with whom is that person's sexual partners.

    While I generally believe that what happens in a person's bedroom should stay in their bedroom and is no one else's business, in situations like this it is completely appropriate to judge. Sex was used as a tool, and journalistic integrity can be called into question because of it. This is no different than if she used hard cash as a bribe. People should be held accountable for both their words, and their actions.
  • PawsPaws Purr RPGamer Staff
    edited September 2014
    Sex was allegedly used, with that accusation flung by an angry ex who, according to his story, was cheated on repeatedly. Aside from the fact that's a pretty terribad source of information, the problem is the conversation that should be had (whether it was used as payment) is not the conversation people are having. It's about the kind of sex she had and whether she deserved to have it. Hey, as far as I'm concerned people shouldn't cheat and hey, people shouldn't have indiscriminate unprotected sex, but bottom line: no, it's still not appropriate to judge her sex life.
  • ShayminShaymin The Gratitude Pokemon Halifax, New SealandFull Members
    edited September 2014
    The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, just like the internet has no place in the bedroom of an individual unless specifically invited (see, I know the internet is for porn).

    The thing that stuck out to me from PAX was that... nothing stuck out. It didn't seem like anything really came out aside from Giant Bomb editors nailing each other with Sweet Chin Music.
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  • MasterChiefMasterChief I didn't learn anything! Full Members
    edited September 2014
    Wheels wrote: »
    You don't trust your friendly neighborhood RPGamer.com? :(

    Well, you guys aren't exactly the sort of Kotaku-inspired cesspool that is major gaming outlets. Perhaps I should be a bit more clear.
    LordKaiser wrote:
    It has been covered on numerous websites and it brings heated debate that turns quickly into arguments that close threads.

    It's kind of why I want to see it talked about here. This is generally one of the most level-headed forums in gaming, possibly owing to the sort of aggressive moderation that larger outlets are either unable or (more likely) unwilling to do. If any group of people could discuss the issue without it devolving into name calling and hard lines in the sand, it's this one.
    Paws wrote:
    Ocelot summarizes it well, though I'll add on a personal point: the only people who should be judging who is having sex with whom is that person's sexual partners.

    No one's saying anyone should be judging people's sex lives in and of themselves, or at least I'm not saying that. However, the issue of disclosure comes into question. I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that industry writers in personal relationships with developers, past or present, put that information out there. It just makes SENSE to avoid the sort of accusations flying about now.

    However, this whole controversy points to another issue. Based on the actions of a few socially maladjusted lunatics on social media, or "stupidity's playground" as I prefer to call it, the whole of gamers are being branded as misogynistic, racist man-children. This narrative is pushed more and more aggressively, especially by outlets like Gamespot, and it's getting people justifiably angry. When "us VS them" leaves enormous swaths of the fandom feeling like they've been branded as "them," results are impossible.
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