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  • adiemusadiemus Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    I voted for the more than one option...

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I'd like to see more emphasis on gaming discussion, rumors and what is best about games.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Since I joined RPgamer boards for this reason, I would definitely like to see this take shape.

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I'd like to see more emphasis on the stuff behind the games, the fan works and roleplaying.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    It's always been my interest to learn what it takes to create a game, and to see other's concepts of the things they enjoy through fan works. As for roleplaying, I have to agree with Dracos' viewpoint...the environment here just isn't ideal for it. I'm not for removing the roleplaying section, since I enjoy it too much, but it certainly lacks any motivation and seriousness necessary for good role playing (not that I would really know...).

    I agree with MonCapitan's idea for the most part, except for the severity of the punishment. Not that I can really say anything on the matter, having frequently posted in said spam topics, but I've come to realize that if the "This or That" thread is the only thing that merits anyone's attention on some days...sad sad.gif
  • MartyrMartyr Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sesshoumaru @ July 06 2004,13:57)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I agree with LiQuid! the color scheme is outta date. Maybe a nice oak background would do nicely. lol just kidding. But as for the Logo I think it should be a contest in the fanart section. and the winner gets his or her logo used.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    We did have a contest for the message forum logo, if I'm not mistaken. The main site's logo however, I'm not so certain about.
  • AletheaAlethea Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"One thing that drives me insane on this board is the number of interesting threads that are interrupted by a juvenile squabble. Can we not delete these? They are an interruption, and I really do not need to know why someone is an idiot. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

    A karma system (like the one on Allakhazam.com) allows you rate down "idiots" and then filter out posts from people with low ratings. Unfortunately, the karma system can be abused, and it also contributes to the creation of an elite class of board members (like I mentioned earlier) who run around rating down everyone who isn't a member of their group.

    I don't think a karma system is the solution for RPGamer. Unfortunately, I don't know what else would work, aside from imposing restrictions on bad boardies.

    As for the comment about our dragon...could people be any more immature and stupid? One's mind would have to be in the gutter to think that up. Besides, it's clear that there is no frontal contact between her and the R in RPGamer. >_<

    Poor V'lanna could use a makeover though.
  • DracosDracos Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adiemus @ July 06 2004,14:28)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I'd like to see more emphasis on the stuff behind the games, the fan works and roleplaying.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    It's always been my interest to learn what it takes to create a game, and to see other's concepts of the things they enjoy through fan works. As for roleplaying, I have to agree with Dracos' viewpoint...the environment here just isn't ideal for it. I'm not for removing the roleplaying section, since I enjoy it too much, but it certainly lacks any motivation and seriousness necessary for good role playing (not that I would really know...).

    I agree with MonCapitan's idea for the most part, except for the severity of the punishment. Not that I can really say anything on the matter, having frequently posted in said spam topics, but I've come to realize that if the "This or That" thread is the only thing that merits anyone's attention on some days...sad sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Re: spam topics
    To: Ademius

    Well, the problem also is that they sort of create a vicious circle.

    A)They tend to keep the attention of more of the boardies. Thus, when other topics pop up, they are less likely to be looked at then the current 3000 post spam game. This isn't a factor of being hard to find, but instead simply the tendancy of people not to spread their attention out beyond a simple range.

    B)They set an atmosphere for the boards they are happening on. It's less likely to attract those who will create more interesting topics when a majority of the visible ones are shallow spam. This also results in it being more likely to attract those interested in shallow spam. Therefore, over time, the population will continue to move towards those who prefer shallow spam when they are the majority and there is no over-riding government which pushes the nature of the boards to conflict.

    C)They take time. People who are writing in them are not bored while they are doing it (though they may have been before). As they are not bored they are not likely to spend the time in any contemplation of uses of their time or creation of other interesting topics.

    All of these are kind of stating the same thing and easily shifted to the side as unjustifiable fears, but from my observations of many boards, they are what happens. Of course, there is a notable fact that interesting topics, even with a large population of clever and insightful people, are not commonly produced. I have yet to see a community that has so many intelligent and good boardies that every day there is at least one interesting and worthwhile topic added to the general forum mess. A forum of entirely meaningful topics (with a fairly broad definition of meaning) will inherently move slower than a forum of spam topics.

    Dracos
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    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sesshoumaru @ July 06 2004,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I agree with LiQuid! the color scheme is outta date. Maybe a nice oak background would do nicely. lol just kidding. But as for the Logo I think it should be a contest in the fanart section. and the winner gets his or her logo used.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
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  • MonCapitan2002MonCapitan2002 Avatar Captured Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adiemus @ July 06 2004,17:28)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I agree with MonCapitan's idea for the most part, except for the severity of the punishment. ?Not that I can really say anything on the matter, having frequently posted in said spam topics, but I've come to realize that if the "This or That" thread is the only thing that merits anyone's attention on some days...sad sad.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    You don't want to know what I initially was going to suggest, but I will tell you anyway. ?I would prefer an irreversible IP and member banning, but I felt that CainEJW might find that option to be a tad extreme. ?I still stand by the member suspension suggestion. ?I can't stand spam and I feel it should not be tolerated under any circumstances. ?

    As for a suggestion on how the board should focus itself. ?I would like to se a general help section. ?There is one on RPGFan titled Helper Monkey and I think a general help forum on this board would do well here. ?I'd also like to see a more extensive board listing for non-gaming entertainment discussion. ?Maybe a forum dedicated to movies and television would be cool. ?I also think the Miscellaneous section should be strictly moderated with regards to topics. ?It should be discussion forum not a (expletive) spam forum.
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  • PersonThingPersonThing Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    I know I said I'd wait, but the topic has already come up, so... Given how much complaining would ensue if the forum game/spam threads were removed, it might be better to just move them to their own forum. That's not quite getting rid of them, but it lets people like MC ignore them completely, since they wouldn't show up in any other forums. Polls on topics like (least)favorite game character or who do you think is cutest might go in such a forum as well.

    Personally, though, I'd like to see a forum for advertising. It would of course have to follow the rule that "if you can't post it here, you can't give a link to it either". This forum would give boardies a place to say "hey, come check this out" without being yelled at, and also a place to ask questions like "where's a good site to find/buy X".

    Maybe an option to let users hide certain forums so they wouldn't ever have to see spam/ad forums would be possible?
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    edited July 2004
    While I know it wasn't 100% on topic, since when was it against the rules to post an image? That picture is smaller than a regular sig image... That's the kind of stuff that seems like overzealous enforcement to me.

    And as for spam and pointless threads, I've always liked the idea of a junk section as long as it's still kept an eye on so that it doesn't get out of hand, like porn linking and copyright stuff.



  • madhtrmadhtr Full Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LiQuid! @ July 08 2004,18:57)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"While I know it wasn't 100% on topic, since when was it against the rules to post an image? ?That picture is smaller than a regular sig image... ?That's the kind of stuff that seems like overzealous enforcement to me.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Liquid? How many sig images have you seen on this board that are 640 x 433? Yeah, that's what i thought.

    You might want to go check and see the rules regarding sig sizing again. Unless i'm mistaken, the size limit is set for 350 x 100. Yeah, it was a little too big. There's nothing wrong with linking to the pic, though, anyway. The link still gets the thought across.
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    edited July 2004
    Look at the filesize requirement... For starters, the picture wasn't big enough to stretch even a crappy 800x600 resolution desktop, and the size of the image was a mere 32k, nearly half the limit for a sig image. It doesn't matter how physically large the image is, just how many bytes it is that determines how fast 56k'ers load it... I've been such a nice guy this week and yet the oppression continues. I just can't get a break. smile.gif <--- (smiley so you know I'm just kidding.)

    I fixed it anyways, so it's no big deal. Please go back about your business. I am not the droid you're looking for. tounge.gif
  • madhtrmadhtr Full Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LiQuid! @ July 08 2004,20:18)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"Look at the filesize requirement... ?For starters, the picture wasn't big enough to stretch even a crappy 800x600 resolution desktop, and the size of the image was a mere 32k, nearly half the limit for a sig image. ?It doesn't matter how physically large the image is, just how many bytes it is that determines how fast 56k'ers load it... ?I've been such a nice guy this week and yet the oppression continues. ?I just can't get a break. smile.gif <--- (smiley so you know I'm just kidding.)

    I fixed it anyways, so it's no big deal. ?Please go back about your business. ?I am not the droid you're looking for. tounge.gif[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    We're not trying to "oppress" you Liquid....... It's just that some people don't care for posting images directly through the use of the tags.  Mainly because everytime someone (re)loads the page, it uses up the bandwidth of the site which hosts the pic and so makes much more sense to link to the pic. Overall it's much more efficient for this website as well as the image's hosting site.  Anyway, back on topic from now on.
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  • Silky WaysSilky Ways Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    My humble opinion:

    -Definately an interface redesign. We need something simple, classy and relaxing to the eye. Neutral is in no way relaxing.

    -More enthusiasm towards forum sections that could be very interesting. Moderators are great for keeping the forum in shape but wouldn't it help to also appoint some dedicated, willing members towards forum sections they have been active and creative in the most? Forums are SUPPOSED to be fun too, and if there was some organised creative activity every now and then, it would discourage all the endless spam in the misc section.

    -Debates are always intriguing to read through and participate in. But there has not been one debate topic that has not been terminated after bickering and spite and a lot of unattractive posting. What angers me most is that it seems as though in most occasions, it is older members that cause this levelling aggressiveness. In order to have a healthy debate section we need to be mature enough to handle it.

    This is all I have in mind right now. I would also to say that CainEJW is doing something remerkable here. I am pleased to see that as an administrator he chooses to actually do the dirty work of asking everyone what the ideal rpgamer would be to them. I only wish to beg of all other members participating in this topic to please not turn this useful poll into another arena. Respect everybody's opinion and share your own and if you disagree with someone's point of view, be civil. And note that irony and derogation are NOT in any way civil.
  • MonCapitan2002MonCapitan2002 Avatar Captured Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PersonThing @ July 08 2004,17:32)</td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I know I said I'd wait, but the topic has already come up, so... Given how much complaining would ensue if the forum game/spam threads were removed, it might be better to just move them to their own forum. That's not quite getting rid of them, but it lets people like MC ignore them completely, since they wouldn't show up in any other forums. Polls on topics like (least)favorite game character or who do you think is cutest might go in such a forum as well.

    Maybe an option to let users hide certain forums so they wouldn't ever have to see spam/ad forums would be possible?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Tough nuts for them then. ?I couldn't care less about the belly aching of a bunch of worthless spammers. ?If it were up to me, all the spammers on this board would be permanently banned. ?These fora are meant to be a discussion community, they're not supposed to be a repository for spam.
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  • PersonThingPersonThing Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"I couldn't care less about the belly aching of a bunch of worthless spammers. If it were up to me, all the spammers on this board would be permanently banned.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    There are people who participate in spam threads who also post in more serious topics. Would you ban them because they enjoy both kinds of topics? That seems unduly harsh and self-centered to me.

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td class="QUOTE"These fora are meant to be a discussion community, they're not supposed to be a repository for spam.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    This is true, but that doesn't mean they can't include fun topics, some of which are spam, to keep people interested while there are no discussions going on that they are interested in. Such topics let people form a sense of community and that helps prevent member loss. If you really want to get rid of the spam threads, start some new discussion ones, push the spam out.
  • Silky WaysSilky Ways Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    Oh! I wanted to say another thing too.... It pisses me off every time I load my bookmark and see "Period" gleaming in gold until the page loads. Makes me check my seat every time lol. I mean the only thing to make it worse would be to use red fonts lol
  • CainEJWCainEJW Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    MonCapitan, while I share some degree of your annoyance with spam threads I cannot simply remove them right now. They are a part of this board, weither I like it or not. People enjoy them immensely, and under past administrations they were allowed so I feel a degree of having to follow that precident.

    When the board is updated, however, I can say we probably will be seeing many fewer spam threads. Many will be closed, or moved away, or even deleted. The board update will be a time to take advantage of in terms of bettering this board. While I do notice spam threads can be a degree of fun, I also cannot let them continue to run free on a board that chastizes spammers.

    So, to fix that, whenever Mikel gets finished, and everything is in place; you will see some changes not only physical, but also in content.

    Banning for spamming isn't in the stars. Excessive spamming after warning, ok...but not one shot spamming.

    LiQuid!: The deal is we try not to let ANYONE link to images directly in body. We edit posts for small or large, usually because we don't want to have to deal with people whining about 56k. If I edit someone else's image in post, I have to edit yours. That is how it happens. I'm not all nice, but I am at least consistant.
  • DracosDracos Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    Then put that in the 'rules'. Rather than chasing after people editting posts, make the decision. Either it's fine if used in a little amount (Which I believe.) or it isn't at all, and people should be aware that the general forum government does not want to see pictures directly linked.

    Personally, I think a trend in this direction though is a bad thing. It's being mistaken to simply go from 'some pictures in posts need to be removed' to 'all pictures need to be'. There's a huge difference between gigantic pictures that stretch the screen or are a few megs in size and a quick 300 k joke embedded image. Either way though, if you guys want them not there, then don't allow the feature in the board or tell people not to use it as they come in.

    Dracos
  • CainEJWCainEJW Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    Well, that would be why LiQuid's post hasn't been edited a second time, Draco.

    Right now it isn't a problem enough to need a formal rule. Heck, in my eyes it really isn't even a PROBLEM. It's just an occasional thing that needs to be considered on a by-person basis. If someone DOES complain, though, know that their complaint(in this issue) will end up in changing it to a link. Especially since linking to the image is just as good as direct linking.

    Personally, I don't have a problem with images in message bodies unless it gets out of hand (huge images, lots of them posted in succession). The problem is, however, we cater to all...not just to cable connections. Therefore, we have to be willing to listen to 56k's concerns of image load as well as you guys wanting to post the image in body to preserve the joke/content.

    This job isn't easy ;)
  • DracosDracos Member Full Members
    edited July 2004
    *laughs*

    Obvious suggestion I don't know why I forgot earlier:

    A forum spell check feature. I've seen them at a fair bit of other boards. At the least a button on the side can be set to grab the post data, fling it at http://www.spellcheck.net/ and set it to run the spellchecker through it.

    Less excuse for the lazy typing if fixing it is internalized to the board.

    Dracos
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