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Just beat Xenosaga...
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And I honestly cannot decide whether or not I am satisfied 
On one side, it was a completely spectacular game. One of the best stories I have ever seen in an RPG. I loved every last one of the characters. Well, except Shion, who I only liked I would probably love her too if she wasn't so incredibly stupid.
The music. All through the game, I was mildly impressed by the music. It's by Yasunori MItsuda, impossible to NOT be impressed. But they hardly had any of it... but that last boss battle music more then made up for all the other deficiencies. Extremely good. I am listening to an MP3 of it now, as a matter of fact. A couple unusually good vocal tracks thrown in here and there too.
An emotional ending too, very much so.
Ah, a truly good game. Right up there with Chrono Trigger and FF6, although not quite as good as either of them.
I should be satisfied, heh.
But, on the other hand... there was that little "To Be Continued" screen, and all the other bits of unresolved story showing up throughout the credits. It makes me hungry for MORE.
SOO many unanswered questions, I do not believe there was a single wholly resolved subplot in the entire game...
Not that it matters. It was enough all by itself to make one of the better games I've played.
Sooo.... I have Xenogears coming sometime soon. Got it for 20$ brand new off of SquareEnix's official site store. It seems that little matter of the PS1 classics being rereleased as GReatest Hits finally went into effect
Anyways, back to what I was saying... how closely are Xenosaga and Xenogears connected? Will me playing Xenogears answer any of my questions, or supplement any information? Or is they extremely unrelated?
Which brings to mind another question... Episode 2. I thought it was a sequel, and most of the footage and stuff I have read confirms this. But I have also heard things about it having somehting to do with the Miltian conflict form 14 year prior to this. And then of course there is a swordfight between Margulis and that other guy which seems to show how he got that hideous scar. That certainly didn't happen after Episode 2.
Or perhaps I am getting Episode 2 and that bonus Xenofreaks disc mixed up.
On one side, it was a completely spectacular game. One of the best stories I have ever seen in an RPG. I loved every last one of the characters. Well, except Shion, who I only liked
I would probably love her too if she wasn't so incredibly stupid.The music. All through the game, I was mildly impressed by the music. It's by Yasunori MItsuda, impossible to NOT be impressed. But they hardly had any of it... but that last boss battle music more then made up for all the other deficiencies. Extremely good. I am listening to an MP3 of it now, as a matter of fact. A couple unusually good vocal tracks thrown in here and there too.
An emotional ending too, very much so.
Ah, a truly good game. Right up there with Chrono Trigger and FF6, although not quite as good as either of them.
I should be satisfied, heh.
But, on the other hand... there was that little "To Be Continued" screen, and all the other bits of unresolved story showing up throughout the credits. It makes me hungry for MORE.
SOO many unanswered questions, I do not believe there was a single wholly resolved subplot in the entire game...
Not that it matters. It was enough all by itself to make one of the better games I've played.
Sooo.... I have Xenogears coming sometime soon. Got it for 20$ brand new off of SquareEnix's official site store. It seems that little matter of the PS1 classics being rereleased as GReatest Hits finally went into effect
Anyways, back to what I was saying... how closely are Xenosaga and Xenogears connected? Will me playing Xenogears answer any of my questions, or supplement any information? Or is they extremely unrelated?
Which brings to mind another question... Episode 2. I thought it was a sequel, and most of the footage and stuff I have read confirms this. But I have also heard things about it having somehting to do with the Miltian conflict form 14 year prior to this. And then of course there is a swordfight between Margulis and that other guy which seems to show how he got that hideous scar. That certainly didn't happen after Episode 2.
Or perhaps I am getting Episode 2 and that bonus Xenofreaks disc mixed up.
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Which brings to mind another question... Episode 2. I thought it was a sequel, and most of the footage and stuff I have read confirms this. But I have also heard things about it having somehting to do with the Miltian conflict form 14 year prior to this. And then of course there is a swordfight between Margulis and that other guy which seems to show how he got that hideous scar. That certainly didn't happen after Episode 2.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
They are connected... that's basically all we know. You'll notice some hints or similarities, but you won't get any answers. You'll just have to wait.
Episode is a sequel to Episode 1, nothing else. Perhaps it may contain flashbacks or stuff like that, but not that any of us know of yet.
We basically don't know anything about these games, so there really isn't much else to do than to wait and see.
Everything else was essentially explained by Solon.
PS. My reaction to the ending:
"What?! How can you leave it there"?!
Maybe we'll get to play through a short flashback as Jin(Shion's brother).
Eps. 2 will have an intro flashback to the Miltian conflict, which is the source of those screenshots. The main game will be a sequel.
Most people who've played both Xenosaga Eps. 1 and Xenogears (including me) consider Xenogears to be the better game by far. If you think Xenosaga was "one of the better games you've played", then expect to be blown away by Xenogears. Be warned, though: it's a lot less polished than XS, and the first 20 hours or so are pretty boring plotwise. If you can manage to trudge to the last 3rd of Disk 1, expect great things.
XS and XG have just about no connections, with the exception of a few points. The 6 part Xeno series is grouped in twos, or thats what i came to understand anyway. For example, Episode 1 and 2 are directly related. If im not mistaken Episode 3 and 4 will deal with an entirely different group and story. Im not quite sure if im right about this, anyone care to shine some light on that?
And if you liked XS, you'll be blown away by XG. Which is in my opinion, the best RPG of all time.
I am personnaly on both sides for as many reasons... But I tend to lean toward... they WILL end up being releated.
Just be warned about disc 2. I'd advise you to have some patience when you watch the characters sit in that damn chair and talk the story through rather than let you play it. A very impressive game nonetheless.
Oh God I'm blogging anime now?!?!?!?!/
Dracos
Me, personally, I think they could've gotten rid of most of disc 1 and given themselves some breathing room. ?And lose some religious symbolism; I stopped taking it seriously, in the slightest, when I saw "<span class="spoiler">Chu-Chu nailed to a giant cross surrounded by a bunch of Decepticon wanna-bes.</span>" ?And it's a shame, too, 'cause there IS a good story to be told at the heart of this, if you're into the whole Evangelion/Twin Peaks kinda thing. Definitely something you're gonna be thinking about for a while.
But editors... my god, they needed editors.
They are re-releasing four PS1 games as greatest hits. Xenogears, FFA, FFC, and Vagrant Story.
I consider XG's story to be twenty times better (and forty times more coherent) than Evangelion's. I don't see why anyone would compare them, anyway. Besides the superficial religious names, they're really totally different stories in terms of storytelling, character personalities and motivation, and general mood. I also wish that the religious names had been taken out, since then people would have to actually consider the game's religious messages rather than passing it off as "pretentious".
As for Disk 2, I didn't find it bothersome at all. The cutscenes were a bit longer than most on Disk 1, and a bit weirder with the chair-in-space stuff and all, but the plot was so much better than the plot on most of Disk 1 that I didn't care at all. I'm not the kind who complains because I'm being told the greatest science fiction plot I've ever experienced rather than participating in a frustrating jumping puzzle or uninspired dungeon sequence.
As for Disk 2, I didn't find it bothersome at all. ?The cutscenes were a bit longer than most on Disk 1, and a bit weirder with the chair-in-space stuff and all, but the plot was so much better than the plot on most of Disk 1 that I didn't care at all. ?I'm not the kind who complains because I'm being told the greatest science fiction plot I've ever experienced rather than participating in a frustrating jumping puzzle or uninspired dungeon sequence.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
The comparison between XG and Eva is skin deep, I'll admit, but that doesn't change that it's unrefined, borderline weird-for-the-sake-of-weird religious pretense that takes itself way too seriously. ?The game tried too hard to be too meaningful, it did a very poor job of telling a supposedly epic story, and it saddens me when someone, anyone, claims this the best RPG that ever was and ever will be.
Of course, I'm one who can suffer bad plot for good gameplay, but not bad gameplay for good plot. ?It would appear that this is where we differ.
I will say this in closing: ripping off Charlton Heston movies is not a hallmark of genius.
It's my favorite RPG. Does that sadden you?
It seems like you're claiming that it doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense to me. I agree that the story is poorly told in terms of pacing, but in the end it's coherent and (to me) moving. It saddens me when people compare it to something like Eva, which mainly consists of random, meaningless, nonsensical religion-oriented imagery.
It seems like you're claiming that it doesn't make sense. ?It makes perfect sense to me. ?I agree that the story is poorly told in terms of pacing, but in the end it's coherent and (to me) moving. ?It saddens me when people compare it to something like Eva, which mainly consists of random, meaningless, nonsensical religion-oriented imagery. [/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Aw, now, c'mon; I disagree wholeheartedly in terms of a final opinion re: Xenogears, but by no means do I dispute your right to like it
My main beef was that so many (present company excluded) fell all over themselves to hype the game to the moon and beyond, and toss out glowing reviews like it was going out of style, that points of contention which could be deal-breakers to a person such as myself are glossed over, and that's putting it lightly; nevermind the bogus "too hot for U.S. release" rumor which I found kinda stupid, if not mildly insulting.
Making sense doesn't have much to do with it; I got the overall idea, I just felt there was way too much to it and the gameplay got the shaft. ?A lot of scenes could have been removed and the game would've been so much better if, at certain key points, the editing staff asked "All right, no BS now; why is this in here?"
That people find such meaning in Evangelion is indeed puzzling to me, but sadly I have similar qualms with Xenogears - and with something as overflowing with religious iconography, the comparison is inevitable. ?There's simply no visible restraint in the use of such symbols and terms, and quite frankly they foul a lot of them up (esp. the Golgotha scene.)
I'm glad I played the game, and if I knew beforehand I'd still play through it just to see it for myself, but I don't feel the story compensates for the gameplay. ?But, as we've illustrated here, this is where we differ.
But from about the Shevat part onward, it also began to turn into the best plot I've ever seen. Literally.
The funny thing is, Xenosaga was exactly the same, except without the little "best plot I've ever seen" part. That's why Xenogears is my #1 game and Xenosaga isn't even in the top 10.
oh well i still thought the overall game was great, and i have faith that monolith will tie up most of the loose ends in episode 2.